There seems to be some serious confusion on the part of Trump fanboys as to what is going on in America. Trump did not start the current move toward socialism, but he has acted as an accelerant and killed most opposition to big government.
Consider these comments left here at TL under the post POLL: Nearly Half of Millennial Democrats Identify as Socialist or Democratic Socialist (my responses are in blue)
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I really am not surprised by this. It has been a long time coming, and maybe Trump has added fuel to the fire, but this certainly isn't a new trend. Who do you think teaches your children? Successful business owners? Hard working people fleeing socialist countries? Or lazy do nothings who picked the easiest major and job they could find while complaining how little they get paid?Who said this is a new trend? The problem to a large degree post-Trump victory is that there is little in the way of Trump opposition. The "successful business owners" have been co-opted by Trump. So all the kids see in opposition to socialism is "successful business owners" who cheer on the crude buffoon who keeps the crony economy running.
There is near zero support for liberty. This is the problem. It is a mistake to think that becasue the move toward socialism started before Trump that he has not played an influential in its advancement and the lack of serious anti-state opposition.
---Oh please, how do you think things would be seriously different under Hillary? The only point of significant difference would have been a welcome serious opposition to expanding government under Hillary because of the large part of the masses that are obsessed with Hillary and hate her. Under Trump, we get an expanding state and no one cares. Do I need to remind anyone that the new Supreme Court justice, Brett Kavanaugh, nominated by Trump, was instrumental in the creation of the Patriot Act?
With Hillary we would have been half way towards a socialist nation already.
You are delusional if you think Trump is the anti-Hillary.
----"Keep your powder dry"?
I’m no Trump fan boy, but let’s not lay the blame for this lunacy on his doorstep. The truth is that neither these idiots nor the vast majority of Trumpistas can make a cogent distinction between socialism and the free market. These folks would be touting this banner, or something like it even if Trotsky - er, I mean Sanders had somehow secured the Dem nomination without a case of the Arkansas flu and gone on to the White House. The Kochs’ name would be on that banner instead, or maybe Rand Paul’s. Trump has not doomed us, nor will he save us. The die was cast long ago; keep your powder dry.
What the hell does this mean? Are you expecting some kind of libertarian revolution and we should wait until we see the whites of their eyes?
Again, the point is that Trump has silenced opposition to the expanding state. The Fed is not ended. It is as establishment as ever and Trump has nominated an individual for the Fed who is in favor of magnetic strips in money and negative interest rates.
Relations with China, Russia and Iran are all worse now than the day Trump became President.
Where is the non-stop libertarian opposition to Trump? There is hardly any.
How are the kids going to learn about opposition to Trump that is not socialist when few attack Trump from the libertarian side?
===I repeat, the problem is that few are attacking Trump when he is a perfect foil for libertarians to use in explaining libertarian objections to socialism and the crony capitalism that Trump represents.
Anyway, people grow up, they change. I certainly was not born or raised with an understanding of Austrian Economics. You wrote that it'll be difficult to turn this crowd towards liberty. The noisy ones, yes. But there are a lot of sane ones who are also silent.
How are they going to grow up and adopt libertarianism if few are using the current opportunity to aggressively attack the socialists and Trump?
I would say at least 30% of current libertarians became so because of the heroic presidential run of Ron Paul who stuck to libertarian principles and America got to see that.
----Well, I see that you have a reading comprehension problem if you read my book. I explain in Chapter 15 of the book the process by which intellectual movements change and how it is nearly impossible for such a radical book such as mine to take an immediate foothold.
"This is what Trump has brought and it is going to be very difficult to turn this crowd toward liberty, very difficult"
If you honestly believe that these kids were turned socialist in less than two years because Trump was elected, then their minds should be pliable enough for your airtight arguments for a PPS. Assuming they'll spend the shekels to buy your book, of course.
Indeed, I start off the Chapter 15 this way:
I really don't expect a full Private Property Society to emerge any time soon. If you think it is going to occur in the near future, you are fooling yourself.You appear to be very confused about the role Trump has played in the advancement of socialism versus the current form of the movement that can be traced back to the Frankfurt School of the interwar years.
Bottom line: The point is that at this current key point in history, when cultural Marxists and Postmodernist seeds have developed and taken root, under Trump the support for hardcore liberty is nearly non-existent. It is not that Trump started the movement toward socialism, he did not. But his appearance on the scene has killed the fever for liberty, He has tricked the anti-socialist masses into thinking that he is the opposition to a Hillery-style power grab when he is just a different type of power grabber. It\s perfect feeding ground for statists of all types, with the kids leaning socialist.