Wednesday, January 24, 2018

A Reply to The Lab Manager on Superior Thinking Outside the White Race

At the post, Murray Rothbard on Targeting a Particular Class, in the comments The Lab Manager writes to Francisco Torres:
Since you are so smart, show me the African, Chinese, or Middle Eastern Plato, Aristotle, Mises, Rothbard, Locke, Jefferson. Only one culture could have produced that. 

Perhaps, I can help The Lab Manager out with his lack of broader knowledge.

Murray Rothbard wrote in Economic Thought Before Adam Smith of Lao Tzu ( a personal acquaintance of Confucius) and Chuang Tzu  :
Government, in sum, must be limited to the smallest minimum; 'inaction' became the the watchword of Lao Tzu, since only inaction of government can permit the individual to flourish and achieve happiness. And intervention by government he declared would be counterproductive, and would lead to confusion and turmoil...

Two centuries later, Lao Tzu's great follower Chuang Tzu  (369 c.-286 BC) built on the master's idea of laissez-faire to push them to their logical conclusion: individualist anarchism. The influential Chuan Tzu, a great stylist who wrote in allegorical parables, was therefore the first anarchist in the history of human thought.
Rothbard said of these men that they when it came to political philosophy these schools were "remarkable for insights."

Let us move to the African continent.

Augustine of Hippo ( 13 November 354 – 28 August 430) was an early Roman African Christian theologian and philosopher. whose writings influenced the development of Western Christianity and Western philosophy. He was the bishop of Hippo Regius in north Africa and is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers in Western Christianity for his writings in the Patristic Era. Augustine and his family were Berbers (Roman Africans), an ethnic group indigenous to North Africa.

Zera Yacob (1599–1692) was a seventeenth-century Ethiopian philosopher. His 1667 absolutely original treatise, known in the  Ge'ez language as the Hatata, has often been compared by some scholars to René Descartes' Discours de la méthode in (1637). His writing came at a period when African philosophical literature was significantly oral in character. He believed in following one's natural reasoning instead of believing what one is told by others.

And in the Middle East.

Al-Farabi, known in the West as Alpharabius;( c. 8722 – between 14 December, 950 and 12 January, 951) was a renowned philosopher and jurist who wrote in the fields of political philosophy, metaphysics, ethics and logic. He was also a scientist, cosmologist, mathematician and music scholar.

In Arabic philosophical tradition, he is known with the honorific "the Second Master", after Aristotle. He is credited with preserving the original Greek texts during the Middle Ages because of his commentaries and treatises, and influencing many prominent philosophers, like Avicenna and Maimonides. Through his works, he became well-known in the East as well as the West.

Farabi stated that he had studied logic, medicine and sociology with Yūḥannā bin Ḥaylān up to and including Aristotle's Posterior Analytics.

Though he was mainly an Aristotelian logician, he included a number of non-Aristotelian elements in his works. He discussed the topics of future contingents, the number and relation of the categories, the relation between logic and grammar, and non-Aristotelian forms of inference. He is also credited with categorizing logic into two separate groups, the first being "idea" and the second being "proof".

Human beings are unique in al-Farabi's vision of the universe because they stand between two worlds: the "higher", immaterial world of the celestial intellects and universal intelligibles, and the "lower", material world of generation and decay; they inhabit a physical body, and so belong to the "lower" world, but they also have a rational capacity, which connects them to the "higher" realm. Each level of existence in al-Farabi's cosmology is characterized by its movement towards perfection, which is to become like the First Cause; a perfect intellect. Human perfection (or "happiness"), then, is equated with constant intellection and contemplation.

Al-Khwarizmi was a Persian mathematician and is considered the father of algebra. He also introduced the decimal positional number system to the Western world. The word algorithm stems from Algoritmi, the Latin form of his name

....to name just a few pretty heavy non-white thinkers. I could go on, Lab. You should read a bit outside your race.

  -RW

78 comments:

  1. Go to the chemical engineering department at Stanford or Berkeley, approach a white guy phd student and ask him if non-whites are stupid.

    Trick question. There are no white guys in chemical engineering PhD programs at elite universities, they're all too busy getting sociology degrees because culture.

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  2. Just like to point out that Farabi was a heavy influence on Moses Maimonides (Jews refer to him as The Rambam), who in turn had a big influence on Thomas Aquinas. The big thinkers cross cultures. There's also Walter WIlliams and Thomas Sowell in modern times, fantastic black thinkers.

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    1. "There's also Walter WIlliams and Thomas Sowell in modern times, fantastic black thinkers."

      But they get peed on for telling the truth along with many other such like minded black Americans.

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  3. Okay, so what? Are any of those countries or cultures practicing that philosophy today or right now? That's the issue here. Look at any African country: Liberia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, etc. I don't see any evidence they know what the hell property right are about or the NAP. Africa is a bunch of self serving low IQ tribal monkeys trying to screw the other group over instead of working together.

    I like the history lesson RW, but none of those countries have anything in terms of people or technology to offer white supremacies like the US and Europe.

    The libertardians are still subscribing to what amounts to 'magic dirt theory'.

    I would like those who accuse me of racism to move to a ghetto black or latino neighborhood and tell me how it goes. Detroit, Camden, Birmingham, and such places are disasters.

    South Africa may not be able to keep the electricity on much longer. South Africa was better off under apartheid.

    If you can find a black lesbian cross dressing shemale tranny who shares my limited government views, I'll happily vote for that person. They are out there, but there are too few black conservatives or libertarians. Or other minorities for that matter.

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    1. He's a one-trick pony. And a clumsy troll to boot: "If you can find a black lesbian cross dressing shemale tranny who shares my limited government views, I'll happily vote for that person."

      Now he wants us to believe he's all for tolerance as long as people believe what he believes. Yeah, right.

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    2. they can start a libertarian community in kansas city, Missouri. Houses are literally $5,000 and plenty of vacancies in that neighborhood. It's like something out of a Will Smith movie. Gee, why won't anyone move there?

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  4. Hillbilly Elegy... now that's a culture one can envy.

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  5. Are we practicing the NAP on a widespread basis here in the US and Europe?

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  6. "I would like those who accuse me of racism to move to a ghetto black or latino neighborhood and tell me how it goes. Detroit, Camden, Birmingham, and such places are disasters. " Lab Manager

    Hey LM

    You do know the poorest town in the USA is an all white town in Kentucky, right?(Beattyville).

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/12/beattyville-kentucky-and-americas-poorest-towns

    Also rural white America in mostly the Deep South leads the nation in violent crime, divorce, illegitimacy, teenage pregnancy, and incarceration

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2006/11/wolcott200611



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    1. Yes, white America has its problems, but not in proportion to other disruptive minorities. That is not to say there are not quiet a few working blacks and Hispanics and have enough sense that unlimited immigration is a disaster.

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  7. None of the libertardian want to address this issue:

    https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/can-africa-rise-above-its-poverty-and-low-iq-levels/

    "When the populations of countries are not capable mentally and psychologically of supporting an advanced technological infrastructure, it is an act of cruelty for outsiders to push such infrastructures upon them. If there are not enough persons of high IQ to supply sufficient physicians, engineers, skilled managers, technologists, top-notch maintenance supervisors, and state of the art instructors, it should be clear that such societies cannot stand on their own in a world of rapidly advancing technology."

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    1. Dude - you've been totally owned by Mr. Wenzel's post and most of the above comments. Just give up. Go live in Appalachia with your white super low IQ violent criminal brethren

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    2. How? Not a one of those ancient he mention has carried over into the modern age in any of those places. Western society is still influenced by Locke, Jefferson and others. Thanks for showing your stupidity.

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    3. Yes, Singapore doesn't exist. China is an economic paper tiger and the white guys won the Vietnam war.

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    4. Singapore is no bastion of libertarianism, but the leader (I believe he died right) did a good job of making it work somehow. Otherwise, it would be a turd world place as well.

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    5. @RW re Singapore and China's economic growth, do you accept there is a bell curve of IQ?

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    6. Re: PH,

      ─ do you accept there is a bell curve of IQ? ─

      What exactly is the point of asking about IQs and bell curves, PH? IQ's are measured with IQ tests which are NOT RELIABLE to measure a person's capacity to solve problems. I know a lot of talented and smart people who are unable to understand solutions to quadratic equations. Can you?

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    7. As imperfect a IQ measurement is at times, it does matter. Too bad Franco is not an honest person.

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    8. The irony Francisco is the IQ issue is a perfect example of a central planning tool. It was developed in France in the 19th century as a way to steering the conscripts into socially and politically optimal paths. France thought they lost the Franco-Prussian War because their soliders were not as smart as the German ones.

      The Binet-Scale IQ model was popularized in America by Henry Goddard as a way to help keep Central Europeans out of Ellis Island.

      Here is what Goddard wrote, "society must be so organized that these people of limited intelligence shall not be given, or allowed to hold, positions that require more intelligence than they possess. And in the positions that they can fill, they must be treated in accordance with their level of intelligence. A society organized on this basis would be a perfect society.”

      If the above quote is not an example of central planning, not sure what would be classfied as such. So Alt-right conservatives and Alt-Right libertarians are obessed with a tool that was clearly a big government and military program. I guess it is true what they say, politics does make strange bedfellows.

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    9. The bell curve is based on a large amount of data. Do you have alternative data to assert that the bell curve is not true?

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    1. Re: Austro-AnCap,

      Hoppe's argument against immigration is not convincing. He makes the case that "culture matters" but if the problem is that culture needs protecting (and you would only protect things that are fragile), then what would be the point? If, on the other hand, you or Hoppe have full confidence on the ROBUSTNESS of your culture, then what the heck are you worried about?

      The other argument Hoppe makes is related to the vulnerability of democracies to demographic shifting, but this is nothing more than an iteration of the "culture matters" canard. If you believe your ideas are superior, then immigrants will surely embrace them.

      Unless you're referring to something else, AA. What would that be?

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    2. @Francisco

      To me it’s not much different from social democrats who will give lip service to individual liberty but then turn around and demand state force for MUH HEALTHCARE or MUH COLLEGE. In the case of the alt-right, we apparently need state violence to protect MUH WHITE CULTURE. It’s just another flavor of special pleading. Almost all statists will say that they like freedom in principle, but then reject it when it comes to their own special pet interests. If they were really libertarians, then they’d understand that freedom is just as much of a means as it is an end.

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    3. When you write a fragile culture is not worth defending I recall the hundreds of muslim immigrant men raping the white women at a train station in Germany at Xmas. Those Muslim men have been propagandized to believe that non-believers are lower than dogs. Are you in favor of allowing in millions of them?

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  9. I don’t really care if people are racists. I DO care when they try to use the state to impose their fetish on others.

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    1. Exactly. It's amazing how much time is spent in Comments sections such as this debating the virtues of different races and the meaning of historical events, inevitably descending into insulting each other. But the real enemy is the state. It is only because people have yielded so much power to the state that they get embroiled in vicious battles against each other to control the state's coercive policies. Immigrants are not to blame for the state's power; intellectual sloth among the local population is.

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    2. @TheNAPster

      I especially get a kick out of those who complain that we can’t allow brown-skinned foreigners to walk on “our” soil because they’ll collect welfare and vote for socialism, when that very welfare system was imposed by a mostly-white American electorate, and saw its greatest growth during the “Great Society” era when foreign-born population was at an historic low.

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    3. Right. And sometimes the objection is that Third World immigrants are antithetical to moving towards a freer society. I just can't figure out which Third World immigrants led to the tyranny under Lincoln, Wilson and FDR.

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  10. I haven't seen this kind of scrambling since Fran Tarkenton. Keep trying, Lab Manager. You'll find a place for those goal posts yet.

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    1. @ Peter, To continue with the sporting metaphor, play the ball not the man.

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  11. Not a one of you has addressed any issue I've brought up. Everyone one of you are as bad as any leftist. Even white Russians may not be desirable if they bring undesirable aspects of their culture.

    Tell me why Africa, ME, China, had no industrial revolution or anything equivalent of an enlightenment in the last 3 or so hundred years? But YT shows up and gets stuff done.


    http://www.vdare.com/articles/trenton-nj-has-haitian-levels-of-corruption-theres-a-reason-for-that

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    1. Why would anyone bother answering you when you'll just move the goalposts again after being pwned.

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    2. How have I been pawned? Not a one of those authors of ancient Africa even had anything to do with modern Africa. Africa has failed on multiple levels. China and Japan had to bum off the white man.

      Oh well, maybe you and your wife if you have one will gang raped by 'duh-versity' when civilization collapses.

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    3. Re: The Lab Manager,
      ─ Tell me why Africa, ME, China, had no industrial revolution or anything equivalent of an enlightenment in the last 3 or so hundred years? ─


      Oh, you're an idiot. Do you think all those goodies the 17th and 18th Century Dutch, Portuguese and British Trade Companies coveted so hard were growing on trees?

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    4. Well let's see, China was under the jackboots for most of the 20th century by a guy named Mao Zedong. Perhaps communism played a huge part in the fact they are having to play catch up with the West

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  12. I think there are 3 related issues: is Anglo Saxon culture superior, is the bell curve true, and how can you start or maintain a PPS if you allow in non libertarians?

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    1. Re: PH,

      ─ and how can you start or maintain a PPS if you allow in non libertarians? ─

      It WOULDN'T be a PPS if a future owner has to ask permission to YOU if the property is NOT owned by you, or would it?

      Bionic Mosquito makes a similar and equally DUMB assertion: That a PPS would have to exclude non-libertarians from the group. Except then it WOULDN'T be a libertarian community. It would be a Commune.

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    2. You didn't answer the question. Suppose you help establish a libertarian society called Franciscoville. Once the property owners of Franciscoville allow in non libertarians who vote to establish welfare and warfare, haven't you lost your libertarian ism?

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    3. Why would the property owners of Franciscoville care what some guests voted for? If it’s a democracy then it’s already not libertarian, regardless of any immigration.

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    4. Re: Evan Smiley,

      You will notice that some Trumpistas defend their anti-immigrant position by framing it as an argument for a Private Property Society, but they will always betray their sincerity by going back to democracy and voting, showing you how much they misunderstand the concept of a PPS, or basic logic for that matter.

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    5. No Torres, you have shown the stupidity of your position. Man, you are a joke!

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    6. No one answered the question. The question was "Once the property owners of Franciscoville allow in non libertarians who vote to establish welfare and warfare, haven't you lost your libertarian ism?"

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    7. Marmite,

      My understanding of a PPS it that all property is privately owned, there is no state, no politicians, and no democracy/voting except that which exists in private, voluntary organizations. Your question assumes the existence of a state.



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  13. Seemingly relevant: https://www.mises.ca/the-rise-of-the-west/

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  14. Lab Manager —

    You ignore that, to a large extent, the ills of the Third World are vestiges of US and European colonialism or recent US and European interventions. They are real laboratories of western foreign policies. Nothing to be proud of.

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    1. It's to be ignored. Colonialism has been gone for 50 years now and Africans and these other places have done little to improve themselves. They are still tribal and backwards and incapable of maintaining anything resembling a first world country. Foreign aide has been a waste.

      See blog post by someone who has lived there "Let Africa Sink".

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    2. Re: The Lab Mismanager,

      ─ Colonialism has been gone for 50 years now ─

      And you continue on with your ignorance. Do you think the US was this great and prosperous country 50 years after the British gave up? The REAL growth happened AFTER the War of Northern Aggression, with steel, oil and chemistry fueling a great expansion and with new immigrant labor pouring in.

      Getting to First World Country status requires a lot of time, effort and capital accumulation.

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    3. "Getting to First World Country status requires a lot of time, effort and capital accumulation."

      So why can't these other countries in the 21st century get their sh__t together?

      And yes, that immigrant labor also changed the political dynamics of the country. You still have your head up your butt thinking 'all cultures are equal' but they are not.

      Pretty amusing none of you will address any of the issues I brought up. I guess a few million stupid turd worlders would get us toward that libertardian utopia.

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    4. "So why can't these other countries in the 21st century get their sh__t together? "

      In my 3 weeks in Kenya some time back there was a government imposed sugar shortage causing lines to form for blocks to get sugar rations (the government owned the 2 sugar refineries in the country), a water outage in Mombasa that lasted at least a week (the government runs the water utility), a change of the upcoming election date (the government controls the election date, and chooses a date when the opposition is least organized), and an assassination of a leading opposition candidate. And all that happened when I was NOT on safari.

      So try to get your sh__t together in an environment like that. Investors never know from one day to the next what the government will do, so of course that nation will never get going. And US foreign aid, far from being a "waste", has helped to prop up this system of tyranny and corruption by keeping the corrupt and tyrannical leaders in power. Foreign aid is only a "waste" if you're now aware of what it is really used for.

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  15. Lab Manager -

    I’m betting you have never traveled outside of your area of perceived safety, let alone the US. That is why you fear “others” so much.

    You have never had the opportunity to reach out for help and to find humanity in all colors and all classes wiling to offer assistance, out of the goodness of their hearts.

    See, you view others in fear, so you never get to experience the humanity, which is missing from your heart, that can be found throughout the Third World.

    And that loss is yours. I’m glad I do not live in your shoes, so to speak.

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    1. Yes, I have seen other places. Mexico has some well developed areas but also has poverty. There is a reason why Mexico is Mexico.

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    2. It’s not just his loss, though, when his (depressingly numerous) fellow apartheidists can use the democratic state to foist their weird views upon the rest of us, by dictating to us who we’re permitted to employ, rent to, trade with, etc.

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  16. Ok, since the "race" of 'Lab Manager' is referred to in this list, what race is he?

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  17. This is sooooo stupid. Lab Manager is pointing at a disparity in wealth at an arbitrary point in time and making the intergalactic leap of logic that the wealthier group poses some inherent, timeless character that is beyond the reach of other groups. It's silly. Many cultures other than the west have at one time or another been the wealthiest in the world or at the forefront of technology. It was not an indicator of timeless superiority for them then, and it isn't for us now.

    Lab Manager is engaging in a petty sort of pagan self-idolatry. Every Western nation has at one time or another imagined itself as God's New Chosen People. It's a prideful and childish excuse for cruelty against vulnerable people.

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    1. But you won't move to one of these turd world places. Lots of virtue signaling in this thread, but not a one of you would move to Bombay, Lagos, or some other place but more than happy to let those in who can't grasp anything resembling property rights or NAP. Bad enough we have people who can't do that now.

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    2. Awful cherry picking there. The only color that should matter is green, and that has less to do with "MUH WHITE CULTURE" and more to do with private property rights, as Hong Kong and Singapore has shown.

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  18. This thread is a great example why libertarianism cannot succeed. Only the stupid could advocate unlimited immigration of Muslim goat humpers, stupid Africans, Indians, Chinese, or even some European ones in great numbers at one time.

    Culture and IQ matter a lot and to deny that is stupid. None of those ancient people RW mentioned above have any bearing on Africa, China, and the ME as they stand today. Everything this world has is because of for the most part, white Europeans.

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    1. Your IQ is clearly sub-optimal, or you wouldn't be projecting has hard as you have. If you're afraid of Arab or Chinese doctorates stealing your jobs.

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  19. Glad this thread happened Wenzel. This blog is too sophisticated for people who think Hillbilly Elegy was an instruction manual. I didn’t see anybody ignorantly complaining about immigrants lining up to take over the 7 Elevens that Donnie’s ICE thugs recently raided.

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  20. The only thing Lab Manager has presented us evidence of is his own low IQ and lack of imagination.

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  21. Has importing 65 million from the 3rd world since 1965 made us more libertarian?

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  22. In Europe, has importing 50 million Muslims made the European countries more libertarian?

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    1. Well of course, because you know.. Diversity!
      ;)

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  23. How very classy RW, to use Rothbard and make him sound like he'd subscribe to your politically correct multiculturalism.

    Well, here's Rothbard 5 years after he parted with what he called the "Official Libertarians":

    "Libertarians are fervently committed to the notion that, while each individual might not be “equal” to every other, that every conceivable group, ethnic contingent, race, gender, or, in some cases, species, are in fact and must be made “equal,” that each one has “rights” that must not be subject to curtailment by any form of “discrimination.”

    And so, flying in the face of their former supposed devotion to the absolute rights of private property, the libertarian movement has embraced almost every phony and left-wing “right” that has been manufactured in recent decades.

    Shortly before I left the libertarian movement and Party five years ago, a decision which I not only have never regretted but am almost continually joyous about, I told two well-known leaders of the movement that I thought it had become infected with and permeated by egalitarianism. What? they said. Impossible."


    Well, this site just shows that it has been possible indeed.

    Cheers from Amsterdam,
    Richard

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    1. Methodological individualism and universal humanism have nothing to do with the imposition of egalitarianism.

      No one is saying you must “help” immigrants. Just that you must leave them alone.

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    2. Nice try Evan. You have successfully not addressed my point re: Murray Rothbard and the way he's conveniently misrepresented in this (and the preceding) blogpost to score left-libertarian brownie points.

      Peace.

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    3. But your point is a total strawman. No one here is arguing that everyone should be made materially equal. Only that it’s unlibertarian to initiate violence against peaceful immigrants.

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    4. Sagunto,

      Rothbard's friend and someone who could be considered a student of Rothbard- Walter Block (who was learning at Murray's knee when Hoppe was still a Marxist in Germany) had this to say about Murray's change on immigration from which you quote.

      "Well, Murray had two views on open borders and in my writings I call him “Rothbard I” and “Rothbard II”. Initially, in his earlier writings, Murray was very clearly saying that open borders are part of libertarian system. In his later remarks, he agreed more with Hans Hoppe1 against me, namely that open borders are not compatible with the free enterprise system. I guess we have to take his second view more seriously."

      "Hans is brilliant even when I think he’s wrong. What he says is that there are three things that engage in international mobility: one is goods, the other is investment, and the third is people. And regarding the first two, there are always two people who agree. If you export something from Germany to me we both have to agree. In the second case of investment: If you invest in my city or I lend you money – we both have to agree. And then Hans says: “but the third thing is very different”. In the third case : if I immigrate to Germany I don’t have anyone agreeing to that, I just sort of go there. And Hans says the first two are legitimate because the market consists of interactions between consenting adults. But in the third thing there aren’t any two consenting adults it is just the immigrant who shows up in his passown cognizance and says “here I am” and he gets no permission from anyone. Hans is saying that immigration isn’t really part of the free market system, rather it’s trespass. Because if I showed up in your house without your permission – that would be trespass. And Hans is saying that this roughly applies to countries as well. However, I disagree. In the US there’s plenty of land that is unowned. It is claimed by the government but according to libertarianism, the only way you can legitimately own land is by homesteading. And yet there are vast areas in the US mainly in Alaska and in the Rocky Mountains etc. that have never been touched by human hands or feet. Suppose some immigrant just showed up there without any permission, and he just started farming there and bring some seeds say, in a helicopter. They are coming in and dropping in the middle of Nebraska for instance and start homesteading. I ask: “What libertarian law have they violated?” I can’t think of any. It’s true, the US government claims these lands but I can’t believe that Murray and Hans would say that these are legitimate claims. I say they’re not. The government never homesteaded any of this. So, suppose you come from Germany or from Mars, and you have a helicopter or a rocket ship and you’re dropping off into the middle of Alaska and you start homesteading. What libertarian law did you violate? You didn’t violate any libertarian law! So, I have now given one case where open borders are legitimate and it’s not trespass, it’s only trespass if somebody else owns that land. "

      http://www.slobodaiprosperitet.tv/en/node/1240

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  24. Exactly Evan. Any 'libertarian' who advocates the use of state power to impede the movement of peaceful people is just one more central planning statist with a story about how THIS government program is different!

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    1. Why would it be a violation of the NAP if various people establish a PPS & state that an entry requirement is to agree with libertarian principles? Condo associations and clubs have rules - why can't a PPS?

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    2. There would be nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Meanwhile, back on planet earth, the state is robbing peaceful people to pay thugs to violently kidnap other peaceful people, and that is definitely a violation of the NAP.

      The anti-immigrant crowd is being played for fools by the state. Rounding up all the illegals will not lead to more freedom, it will lead to a police state. Those ICE guys running around kicking down doors ant rounding up Mexicans are the exact same dudes who are going to come for your guns. Or do you expect them to all just take off their uniforms and go get honest jobs once they're done? It's a trick and they're falling for it. It's not even a clever trick. It's stupid.

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    3. Marmite,

      You are conflating two seperate issues. There is nothing wrong in a PPS rule world, if people lay down rules like a condo associations which say, unless you are a Hoppean libertarian, you are not allowed to be a member of that PPS society. Howerver, what if down the road in another PPS city state, like say Wilton Manors, Florida which has a high % of homosexuals said- no conservatives allowed. What is wrong with that?

      Contrary to Hoppean libertarians, a PPS world would alllow everyone to organize their PPS society the way they see fit. Hoppe says in his book on democracy that in order for a libertarian PPS to survive people who are into- "individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism" would have to be expelled by force. That is simple not true.

      As Walter Block has noted, communism can exist in a PPS world, as long as those people organize voluntarily and they don't force people to live in a communist society. A kibbutz could exist in a PPS world.

      "However, libertarianism is compatible with any cultural behavior,
      provided only that the culture is not incompatible with the libertarian axiom on non-aggression. For example, libertarianism is also compatible with hippie leftism; indeed, the freedom philosophy is every bit as compatible with the counter-culture lifestyle as it is with conservatism. For example, there is nothing in libertarian law which forbids promiscuity, or drug taking, rock music, raves, nudism, macrobiotic diets, Ben and Jerry ice cream, the wearing of earth shoes, beads, etc. And that is all that is required for “compatibility.”

      Walter Block

      https://reasonpapers.com/pdf/29/rp_29_10.pdf

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    4. Donxon

      It makes you think if there position is a smoke screen for Know-Nothingism. After all, all the things you read on Alt-Right blogs about Mexicans for example, have been written and said before about other immigrants.

      Here is part of an editorial from the New York Times in the early 20th century

      "These sneaking and cowardly Sicilians, the descendants of bandits and assassins, who have transported to this country the lawless passions, the cut-throat practices, and the oath-bound societies of their native country, are to us a pest without mitigation. Our own rattlesnakes are as good citizens as they… Lynch law was the only course open to the people of New Orleans to stay the issue of a new license to the Mafia to continue its bloody practices."

      https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-26/brief-history-america-s-hostility-previous-generation-mediterranean-migrants

      Substitute Sicilians for Mexicans, with the above quote and it could easily have been written by alt righters on 4chan.

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    5. Good. I am glad we have 2 open borders libertarians agreeing that a libertarian PPS could have an entry requirement. I would love to hear more opinions.

      Since most people are not libertarian and never will be, how will anyone ever establish a libertarian PPS without an entry requirement?

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    6. Has any "open border" libertarian advocated any different? Walter Block is probably the most well known open borders guy among ancap libertarians and Block has always said, that there would be an entry requirement on private property. The difference is Block and others see a future PPS world with all sorts of different lifestyles, political views etc. And than there is this alt right version of a PPS society that wants everyone to be a culture conservative, white heterosexual and if you aren't, well than it's lets warm up those Pinochet helicopters used in the Caravan of Death

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    7. Hi Andrew,

      "Would be" would be the crux here, wouldn't it? Because once again, we're right back in Block's theoretical Libertopia. How do we get there in the real world, might be the more important question.

      Let's examine Walter Block's comment about a real-life situation, like Block's statement that seemed to endorse the initial negative response of the Canadian PM to the arrival of Jewish immigrants in the 1930's:

      [dixit Block]

      “You can have them,” I now think, was an eminently sensible initial response to their threatened arrival in Canada.

      Think about it. Canadian PM didn't want any Jewish immigrants entering his country. Immigrants who were fleeing Nazi Germany, and Block says the PM's response was "eminently sensible"..

      Please RW/mod, allow this comment to pass for I'd really like to know Andy's reaction to Block's curious statement.

      Kind regs from Amsterdam,
      Richard

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