The dotted line on the above map indicates the current trend of beds needed for COVID-19 in New York.
At present, only 18,279 are in use.
The professional forecasters all projected that beds would be a multiple of the beds actually needed.
Notice not one model came in under the actual number. These are all professional fearmongers who alarmed the country about a virus that appears to be in line with a severe flu season.
Can they really be that incompetent?
Some may be but I called the evil Tony Fauci out a month ago on his phony projections: Why is Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Lying to Congress and the American People? He knows better.
-RW
(ht Mark Simone)
"Can they really be that incompetent?"
ReplyDeleteYes. They are incompetent as scientists, and proficient as propagandist liars.
The political class will say that it was because of their draconian methods that the curve was flattened. Going forward, this will not be seen as a failure. It will be touted as an example of how massive government intervention worked and saved lives. The goalposts have been moved with regard to how intensely the political class will respond to the next crisis.
ReplyDeleteWith the easy spread of this virus, anyone likening it to a “severe flu season “ is an effing MORON. 😡 NY state had 4,749 flu deaths in ALL of 2018. In the last 1.5 months they saw 7,067 deaths from COVID19 - with unprecedented midigation measures in place.
ReplyDeleteBut this is the trick. In addition to the distinction between deaths *of* and *with* COVID19 not being made, doctors and hospitals have a direct financial benefit to treat more COVID19 cases.
Deletehttps://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/the-covid-19-fraud-its-massive/
It will be interesting to see the rates of other causes of death when the dust settles considering so many of them are lumped in with COVID.
Also, there is no direct evidence these unprecedented mitigation measures are even helpful. They may even have made things worse - sending college kids home to live with their older families, lack of sunlight, causing anxiety which can actually lead to respritory problems, and so on. Unfortunately we can never know for sure completely without access to a parallel universe. So the powers that be will take credit either way.
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Doctors are being told to list all deaths as corona virus if the deceased ever had contact with an infected person. It doesn't matter if they had stage 4 lung cancer or any other underlying health condition. The corona numbers are inflated.
DeleteSeasonal Flu is not a "novel" virus. It can be mapped. This years season flu was made up of 2 primary, 4 secondary, and a half dozen 3rd tier strains (a dozen viruses). So anyone trying to compare the two, note, your death number for this past season seasonal flu needs to be divided by 2, and up to 6 ways."Cancer" and Heart Disease" are umbrella terms. Between the to you are talking about 215 to 250 diseases. Medical coding is complicated and far from perfect, that said any hospital admin. making false codes is most likely doing so to gain more supplies. As for lower than projected numbers, warmer weather. Look at a world map. Equator countries are not nearly as effected. Summer is coming. Course they did not now that, because... it is a "novel" virus. That said, it will most likely play out like 1918. Hopefully not as deadly in the fall, as it was in 1918. I find it bizarre that close to 19'000 families in America have lost loved ones, and yet unaffected Americans sit around on sites like this moaning about their"freedoms". LOL, crass bastards, you signed away your freedoms the moment you bought into the whole "smart phone" thing. Any you think you have are long gone. Have to be near retarded to think otherwise.
DeleteAccording to the CDC, 80,000 Americans died from flu during the 2017-2018 season. A lot of the people, maybe most, of the people who died of COVID-19 this year, would have died from influenza A, B, or H1N1. Do you think all these other viruses just went away because a new one arrived?
Deletehttps://www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html
You don't know that those 7,067 deaths from actually from COVID19 or due to preexisting conditions -- which the vast majority of those people had. Dig deeper! https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-statistics-tracking-epidemic-new-york
DeleteAs for "Effing MORONS" in the first reply above, and in support of Roddy6667's post - CDC guidelines on this "PLANDEMIC" state, bascially - If the person has been diagnosed with or suspected of having Coronawirus, and they die the Cause Of Death is to be marked as "Coronoavirus". What??? Add on top of that the TESTS that were being used, at least the earlier ones, were faulty and produced 50 - 80% FALSE POSITIVES FOR THE VIRUS. So, IF these were in place and people NY State is listing as having died from COVID-19 were so categorized, well, you do the math. By the way, it's "mitigated" not "midigated".
DeleteNew York actually does post the numbers of cases that have died without pre-existing conditions. https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page
DeleteAs of April 11, of the 98,712 confirmed cases of Covid, 5,742 have died of which only 118 were free of confirmed pre-existing conditions. Meaning...that those that did die were going to die in short order and in fact the seasonal flu might have been the reason. The number that is significant is the 118 because that's most people. No information on why they were susceptible but the fact is that 118 out of almost 100,000 is insignificant. It's a rounding error. I am not willing to see the economy shut down and the future squandered to keep terminally sick alive for a few more months, weeks, days, minutes. That might sound cold but nobody on this earth has gotten off alive. We are all going to die and sacrificing the future for a statistical error is stupid and evil. This virus is a big nothing and the social distancing was already built into the doom and gloom models so what we're seeing is the same desperate panic that the climate change doomers have been peddling for years. I am old enough to remember the 'new ice age' from the 70s, acid rain in the 80s, AIDS in the 80s, the depletion of the ozone layer in the 90s blah, blah, blah. Scientists don't 'know' shit. They guess and they mostly guess wrong. QED.
NY is an outlier. Look at the national numbers, 60,000 projected vs 82,000 deaths for a bad flu season. What has been the impact of the mitigation measures? That will answer the question of whether it was worth crashing the economy over this. Only testing the general population for antibodies will tell us the true infection rate and thus the true mortality rate, and if we took the correct course. One thing I can assure you is that this will go down in the history books. I fear it will not be view as one of our finer moments.
ReplyDelete33'000 died this past season. The season was made up of 2 primary, and 4 secondary strands. So basically you would have to divide the 33k by 6. Because 6 viruses caused the 33K deaths.
Delete....are there not 3 strains of Covid 19? (that we know of?)....this has been a moving target stating with the 2.2 million death projection to start the HERD STAMPEDE....
DeleteThey are not stupid but they think we are too stupid to call them on their disingenuous propaganda.
ReplyDeleteThis was the drill to see how easily the public can be cajoled into accepting draconian measures. It was a rousing success. Everyone fell right in line and it seems politically correct to act fearful. Seeing how easily the public can be brought into line, their playbook has been validated. This will be repeated and diseases will be rolled out periodically for sure. From an economic standpoint, who in their right mind would start a business in this type of climate, where you can be shut down at will by government decree for any "crisis" - real, imagined, or concocted. If entrepreneurship is the backbone of our economy, severe osteopororis will be the new condition.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it so supposedly politically incorrect to compare coronavirus to influenza viruses ? Simple: Fearmonger, Inc. is run by the Democrat Party, in alliance with Columbia University, and fear is more easily spread if the virus is considered to be something totally unique to mankind's experience. Influenza is highly contagious and it kills, with particular danger to the elderly or those compromised by other ilnesses.....just like coronavirus. Even the questions of how contagious and how deadly is it remain open - we were told it kills 5% (5 or 10 times the flu), now some s studies in Germany suggest less than .5%. Of course it's a horrible deadly disease, and lock-downs probably helped avoid capacity problems at hospitals, but comparing it to the influenza viruses, while politically incorrect due to Fearmonger, Inc., but if you ask me, it's kinda like the flu. Too bad nobody had ever seen scary maps with bloody red cells showing the spread of the flu in a really bad season...would have helped make people less hysterical about this disease. I sure hope it ends up being like the flu - immunity after getting it, etc. - and it probably will be, just don't say it out loud, though.....Fearmonger, Inc. won't be happy.
ReplyDeletethe variation in death rate is all over the place because data is still lacking compared to the flu that has been around forever. Germany's numbers are low because they've had very few cases compared to, for example, Italy. It will take a year or more to properly figure out all the facts about this virus, mortality rate, why it affects some countries/regions more than others, etc. Just the fact that we know so little about a virus that is unquestionably kiling thousands, is reason enough to play it safe.
DeleteI'd rather listen to a scientist that doesn't nail the number (because, YES the total number is affected by the response of social distancing), rather than this moron who said there was no problem, it will disappear one day like a miracle
ReplyDeletehttps://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/trumps-statements-about-the-coronavirus/
or these morons...
DeleteOn Jan 23rd, Wuhan went into lockdown...
On Jan 23rd... most of America were wondering "what's up with Wuhan/China?"
On Jan 28th, Fox news stated: "the Chinese virus looking like a real threat"
On Jan 31st, Vox retorted: "Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? NO"
On Jan 31st, the Washington Post headline: "How our brains make coronavirus seem scarier than it is."
On Feb1st, the Washington post said: "get a grip America. the flu is a much bigger threat than the coronavirus"
On Feb 3rd, the Washington post headline: "why we should be wary of an aggressive government response"
On Feb 13th: the NY times stated: "in Europe, fear spreads faster than the coronavirus itself.."
On Feb 21st, CNN said: "what's spreading faster than corona virus in the US? racist assaults"
CNN A. Copper telling you to only worry about the FLU, DeBlasio telling everyone to ignore corona March 2nd, Cuomo telling NY no worries here...should we go on to prove your partisan liberal rant or do we need to inundate your little brain with more examples on how your MSM, your education, screwed the pooch on this too???
Yours was the only voice of reason I have read in this thread so far. Of course the models are not as bad as predicted... Social distancing is working! Imagine going out in a downpour and using your umbrella. You get home, notice you are completely dry, and think, "I guess I didn't need that umbrella after all. I'm totally dry."
DeleteTry another imaginary trip:
DeleteBefore you go outside, your TV tells you that "expert weather modelling computers" forecast a downpour and severe flooding today. So, you take your umbrella with you. In fact, you open the umbrella and hold it over your head the entire time you're outside. But it never rains. When you get home, you close the umbrella and go inside. You notice that you're completely dry! And think, "Whew! That umbrella kept me dry! Thank heavens for the computer modelers! Without their sage guidance, I'd have gone out without an umbrella!"
Umbrellas work!
There is a great graph showing number of flu deaths per week for the years 2014-2020 (current) at https://betterness.com. Shows this years numbers are way down (hmmmm).
ReplyDelete200-250 people a day are dying at home in NYC when normally it's only 20-25/day. Cook County medical examiner in Illinois has tons of extra deaths that are just listed as respiratory distress because no one is testing all the bodies.
ReplyDeleteMedicine and science are not medicine and science any more. They are prostitutes who serve political or business masters. You can't believe much coming from the health care/pharmaceutical swamp any more.
ReplyDeleteThey're in the vaccine business for big pharma companies.
DeleteWhy should anybody trust an establishment that has long betrayed you?
Look at Bill Gates who has been testing vaccines on poor Indians illegally on Merck's behalf. He's job is to use vaccines to control the world's population and COVID-19 is a good opportunity.
"In line with a severe flu season"? The only year I know that a flu season was so severe to kill this many people in a single month was 1918. And this, in spite of the lockdown. I guess you admit that without a lockdown it surely would have been more people dead?
ReplyDeleteUmm, yeah, and in fact, that's exactly what Fauci said: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387 And the numbers are wildly inflated, not only due to how deaths are being reported, but even case numbers are inflated due to unreliable testing methods. Look up PCR and you'll find it is not meant for clinical diagnosis and certainly not a method to diagnose infectious disease.
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