Alex Nowrasteh is out with a new paper that shows that in Texas in 2017, illegal immigrants were 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native-born Americans. Legal immigrants were about 65 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native-born Americans.
Here is one finding:
There were 937 people convicted of homicide in Texas in 2017. Of those, 844 were native-born Americans, 46 were illegal immigrants, and 47 were legal immigrants. The homicide conviction rate was 3.6 per 100,000 for native-born Americans, 2.5 per 100,000 for illegal immigrants, and 1.5 per 100,000 for legal immigrants...
Illegal immigrants made up about 6.4 percent of the Texas population in 2017 but accounted for only 4.9 percent of all people convicted of homicide. Legal immigrants made up 10.8 percent of the Texas population but accounted for only 5 percent of people convicted of homicide. Native-born Americans made up 82.9 percent of the Texas population but accounted for 90.1 percent of people convicted of homicide-RW
Again, go spend some time in an emergency room then come tell us how many illegal immigrants you saw come in and pay for their services. In fact, if you go to an ER close to the boarder you'll witness Border Patrol agents routinely brining in recent illegal immigrants to receive free medical attention. Hang around a while and you'll witness those same people come back for follow up care as the roam the country freely. Don't keep them too long though, because sometimes they have a government paid for plain ride to catch to see a family member somewhere else in the country. Do make sure you cover your ass as you are still fully open to lawsuit while providing care to a person who is in the country illegally and receiving "free" services. Don't go to Mexico and expect to receive free emergent medical services or anything else like that.
ReplyDeletePlease stick to the "build a well fair wall" mantra rather than labeling anyone who sees a problem with unfettered illegal immigration into the US as a problem as a "hater". This puts you one step away from a progressive labeling anyone who disagrees with them a racist.
Calling for federal incursion into the lives of millions of people makes you a progressive, full stop. Inviting a police state while clutching pearls over emergency room bills ( as though we have free market healthcare to begin with?) makes you a fool and a progressive.
DeleteDonxon, your comment is full of a few incorrect assumptions about my views.
DeleteI'm for an end to the welfare system included medical benefits. This should all be handled through private means (charitys, religious institutions, etc).
I am not for the current wall on the southern boarder being extended (it's been there for decades) or touted as a solution to all our problems.
I am not for illegals being rounded up on the streets or checkpoints within the country.
I never stated we have a free market in health care. Is it wrong to point out the problems of government intrusion in healthcare? It's the government forcing emergency rooms to provide services to anyone who comes in. If that is what you, Donxon, support then it is you calling for a "federal incursion into the lives of millions of people".
CCLS, they don't care here at TL or EPJ about the rights of citizens not to have the problems created by illegal immigration or legal immigration as well. They are as bad as leftist ideologues with their cries of 'equality' and 'tolerance' and they really think 'all cultures are equal'.
DeleteIt's all about 'cheap labor' each and every time with these guys.
CCLS no one ever wants to talk about the inconvenient truth of immigrant influx causality that is generating a race to poverty for all but the top 10%!!
DeleteThis disparity is the real impact for immigrants and citizens alike. This is no longer the land of plenty and it suits the state just fine if it transforms into a third world country.
Sorry knowing clearly what is at stake how can anyone condone being over run? I sure cant.
Donxon how are you going to stop the legal plundering of productive people after instituting open migration into the USA? How? Just lay out a plan to do it. Nobody does. Why? Because there is no workable to way to do it. Once millions upon millions of people show up for and/or become accustomed to the legal plunder there is no political road to stop it. There is only collapse financially and a street revolution that follows when people are angry they didn't get what they feel is coming to them.
DeleteI don't advocate a police state but there's something that has to be done first to avoid ultimately getting one. And that is stopping the legal plunder that pits people against each other.
And they're turning away bright individuals for the crime of being friends with people who are critical of Israel. Absolutely disgusting state of affairs.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-27/harvard-freshman-deported-lebanese-palestinian-ismail-ajjawi
You're reading "conviction rate" as "crime rate"...
ReplyDeleteOpportunity cost?
ReplyDeleteDo a search: state by state costs of illegal immigration
Do a search: Most illegal immigrants in US receive government benefits, costing taxpayers billions
Do a search: how Latinos vote Pew
Remember we are supposed to worry about all the taxation we're paying after we get the open migration part of libertarianism. The taxes and the state services will magically evaporate once there is no limit on migration to the USA. Of course what will happen is financial collapse as the tax donkeys can pay no more or run away and then a street revolution when the wealth is no longer flowing. Maybe the street revolution will magically give us liberty. Probably need to roll 00 on percentile dice but hey, it could happen.
DeleteOpen migration taxes compared to what? Seriously, illegals don’t even start to touch the federal budget.
DeleteMakes good headlines and gets the same old swamp elected though. Keep it up. Show me otherwise.
Joshua, it may not be the federal budget, but they do burden the local and state and tax systems with their problems. If you are not a citizen, your child should not be in a public school ( and yes I'm for demolishing this system which is another topic).
DeleteHow much does it cost to arrest and process these people to a city or country taxpayer in possible addition to medical expenses?
The federal government is not the only layer of government or taxing body nor does the relative size of what is taken by one slice of immigrants in wealth transfers meaningful to the argument. More people looking for or stuck with government services is.
DeleteSomething will give sooner or later.
I’ve made that point here repeatedly and the SJWs like OM and Donxon have repeatedly denied the facts, lied about them, fabricated ad hominem attacks, etc. They’ve done everything but deal with that truth.
ReplyDeleteThe Heritage Foundation article referenced above is about two and a half years old. What about more recent info?
Well, we found out a few days ago that the DOJ reports that non-citizens make up only seven percent of the population, but account for 64 percent of the federal arrest rate in 2018. Between the years of 1998 and 2018, the arrests of non-citizens at the federal level have spiked by 234 percent while U.S. citizen arrests have grown by only 10 percent.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/illegal-crime-spree-non-citizens-made-up-64-percent-of-federal-arrests-in-2018/
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/22/federal-arrests-non-citizens-doj/
So while the nitwits at Cato are playing with numbers and doing their part to let the illegals in, the facts speak for themselves. Additionally, the illegals literally get away with murder (rape, etc.) when they are released, given sanctuary, deported and then return to commit more crimes, etc. Here’s a recent example:
In Maryland, Montgomery County Officials Refuse to Turn Illegal Alien Rapists Over to ICE, Including Two Immigrants Who Raped an 11-year Old Girl
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/2-illegal-aliens-charged-allegedly-raping-11-year-old-girl-maryland
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/2-illegal-aliens-charged-allegedly-raping-11-year-old-girl-maryland
This is insane. We can use the numbers to say illegals commit crimes at higher rates or lower rates than citizens here, but there is no way around the fact that “Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that wouldn't have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place.”
So again I ask, where is the compassion for the victims and their families? If you truly believe in the NAP, can you give me an example of a worse violation than murder? And if not, why don’t you care what happened to these people? Why are you approaching the subject from the perspective of economics - claiming illegals improve our standard of living? This is like people that argue whether or not war is good for the economy. That's not the issue. It's the bodies piling up.
Lastly, OM has told us in the past that there are lots of illegals with libertarian leanings. If that's true, why don't they stay in their respective countries and change the country so everyone benefits from the principles they supposedly believe in?
Once again no one wants the inconvenient truths Spock!
Delete"We can use the numbers to say illegals commit crimes at higher rates or lower rates than citizens here, but there is no way around the fact that “Every crime committed by an illegal alien is one that wouldn't have occurred if that alien wasn’t in the United States in the first place.”"
DeleteYes, that is true as written, but, if one is a statist, then it provides no assistance in setting government policy. This is because it is also true that (a) the fact that that particular illegal alien committed a violent crime doesn't mean that other particular illegal aliens committed, or will commit, violent crimes, and (b) every crime committed by a citizen is one that wouldn't have occurred if that citizen weren’t in the United States in the first place (if you have compassion for victims, as you claim to have, then why would you care whether the offender is a citizen or an illegal alien)?
https://www.dps.texas.gov/administration/crime_records/pages/txcriminalalienstatistics.htm
ReplyDelete"Lawful Presence Determined Through PEP
According to DHS status indicators, over 297,000 criminal aliens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011 and July 31, 2019, of which over 202,000 were classified as illegal aliens by DHS.
Between June 1, 2011 and July 31, 2019, these 202,000 illegal aliens were charged with more than 317,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 570 homicide charges; 35,019 assault charges; 6,040 burglary charges; 39,850 drug charges; 457 kidnapping charges; 16,783 theft charges; 25,122 obstructing police charges; 1,761 robbery charges; 3,752 sexual assault charges; 5,019 sexual offense charges; and 3,211 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 127,000 convictions including 262 homicide convictions; 14,534 assault convictions; 3,335 burglary convictions; 18,904 drug convictions; 182 kidnapping convictions; 7,406 theft convictions; 11,855 obstructing police convictions; 1,063 robbery convictions; 1,845 sexual assault convictions; 2,457 sexual offense convictions; and 1,359 weapon convictions."
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"Lawful Presence Determined While Incarcerated at TDCJ
From 2011 to date, the Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) has provided DPS with information on more than 27,000 individuals who were identified by DHS as in the country illegally while they were incarcerated at TDCJ. 10,362 of these individuals were not identified through the PEP program at the time of their arrest. DPS does not know the current incarceration status of the individuals identified while they were incarcerated nor when their alien status was initially determined. Over the course of their entire Texas criminal careers, these 10,362 individual identified as illegal aliens while in prison, were charged with more than 47,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,929 homicide charges; 5,563 assault charges; 3,642 burglary charges; 6,728 drug charges; 340 kidnapping charges; 2,678 theft charges; 3,694 obstructing police charges; 2,429 robbery charges; 2,963 sexual assault charges; 1,151 sexual offense charges; and 1,579 weapon charges. DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 25,000 convictions including 1,141 homicide convictions; 2,816 assault convictions; 1,984 burglary convictions; 3,937 drug convictions; 148 kidnapping convictions; 1,266 theft convictions; 1,675 obstructing police convictions; 1,634 robbery convictions; 1,896 sexual assault convictions; 708 sexual offense convictions; and 623 weapon convictions."
I'm wondering how these "criminal conviction" rates are calculated, considering that according to US laws, 100% of illegal immigrants are criminals.
ReplyDeleteThe weasel words "illegal immigrants were 47 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime". Now I don't go for the whole immigrants are criminal thing but to prove the opposite this a poor cite.
ReplyDeleteRemember all laws are selectively enforced and government passes on enforcing a wide variety of laws on immigrants, especially illegal ones, because there's nothing in it for government to do so and everything in it for government not to. Now if an individual immigrant has made something of himself and has been
productive then he becomes a target too but those who have nothing, what's in it for government to prosecute? Only the prison industrial complex benefits from that and if the result is deportation not even them. Government is far better off leaving them alone to increase the demand for government "services".
The weasel words make the cite essentially useless.
Government, like it’s legitimate. JJM, quit using it. Some People here read “legitimate” whenever you use it, and you know it’s not.
ReplyDeleteWould you prefer a different word for it? It exists. It's legitimacy is not relevant to my point, only that it exists. It will selectively enforce its edicts regardless if you consider it legitimate or not.
DeleteI am saying, our efforts should be attacking and continually delegitimizing the State, as that the the evil we face, that is the continued force against humans we hate, not advocating for it to do more violence against any human. That is my main problem with the anti-immigration side.
DeleteThat's what I did. I described the state as a self interested institution that steals from the productive. Targets them. Described the state as one would a parasite. It exists, dealing with it first is my point. If you don't deal with it first it will use your principles on immigration to perpetuate itself and grow. Of course like many parasites it will eventually kill the host. Then you get a street revolution. Not liberty.
DeleteWhy don't white people just work harder than the immigrants and steal their jobs?
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