- @JustinRaimondo @shikhadalmia He's changed the terms to a demand for a larger, more interventionist military.0 retweets3 likes
- @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia Wrong. He says "stronger," not bigger. Attacks politically-driven decisions. Wants out of NATO.0 retweets2 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia He merely wants US to be paid for its police services, which he says he "prefers."0 retweets1 like
- @SheldonRichman @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia he says NATO is outdated. No GOP candidate has said this since Taft. That's significant.0 retweets3 likes
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- @JustinRaimondo @SheldonRichman @ThaddeusRussell Replacing Cold War relics for a new endless terroism war is advance for anti-war. Got it!0 retweets1 like
- @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman @ThaddeusRussell Telling that your opposition is way out of proportion: real objection is over immigration.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman As I've said to you many times, his FP isn't all bad. It's just mostly bad.0 retweets0 likes
- @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman All I've done is point to his significance as a catalyst for change! So shoot me! #sectarians1 retweet1 like
- @JustinRaimondo @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia No need to shoot. Can find neither catalyst nor a glimmer of change.0 retweets1 like
- @SheldonRichman @ThaddeusRussell @shikhadalmia Typical sectarian blindness. Gotta run, Chris Weber is visiting from Nicaragua! He sez "Hi!"0 retweets1 like
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- @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman @ThaddeusRussell No one can change their opinons. Not in libertarian dogma-land. He's making it an issue now.0 retweets1 like
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- @SheldonRichman @JustinRaimondo @ThaddeusRussel True. But he has a consistent ideology of violence to solve every problem.... 1/20 retweets0 likes
- @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman That you are peddling this liberal BS is what's laughable.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @SheldonRichman Try constructing an actual response sans ad hominem.0 retweets0 likes
- @shikhadalmia @SheldonRichman Your whole argument is ad hominem. Trump = Evil. You deny his good positions on NATO, intervention.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @shikhadalmia Wrong.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman @shikhadalmia GOP nominee says we were lied into the Iraq war & you hate him! He's anti-NATO - you hate him.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @shikhadalmia He took it back under pressure from a veteran. He's not anti-NATO. He's anti-not-being-paid for police service0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman @shikhadalmia You're the one making it up as you go along. No link to that story & I can't find any reference to it.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo @shikhadalmia I saw him do that during the debate in SC. Whom am I to believe, Trump or my own eyes and ears?0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman Your argument is irrelevant. He's changed the terms of the foreign policy debate. Credit where it's due.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo Whatever you don't like you call irrelevant. The terms have not changed. They're just a bit more muddy.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman GOP nominee sez we were lied in Iraq war. Sez NATO is a scam. Terms have changed. Face it.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo He held those positions for a few nanoseconds.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman Impossible to argue with sectarians; like arguing religion.1 retweet0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo You know I am not a sectarian. YOU know.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman I know no such thing. Your writing disdains all political action on "principle." Sectarianism a big problem for libertarians0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo It disdains no such thing. Give me a link.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman I did 5 tweets back ....0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo I don't see it. I never condemned Ron Paul's campaign qua political action. Show where I said political action is immoral.0 retweets0 likes
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- @JustinRaimondo So where does it say I disdain all political action? I loved that Ron Paul was promoting peace and free markets.0 retweets0 likes
- @SheldonRichman If voting is inconsequential & democracy is for the birds why vote? It's futile.0 retweets0 likes
- @JustinRaimondo I accept your apology for the false charge against me.0 retweets0 likes
@SheldonRichman It's not a "charge." It's just that your writing emanates a certain attitude. Not my fault, so no apology required.
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ReplyDeleteJustin, How can you support a candidate who waffles from 'We're gonna have the greatest military in the world' to 'I'm going to bomb the shit out of them' instead of this-- "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llpMnIulFuM" ? One of the hardest-hitting anti-war libertarian videos in recent years and your web-site won't even run it.
ReplyDeleteRaimondo has a history of believing he wants to believe. For example, he made a big deal in his columns about Chuck Hagel when Obama wanted him to be Secretary of Defense. All because he had criticized the way the Iraq war went. Trump wants out of NATO? Only in Raimondo's and some other poeple's dreams.
ReplyDeleteRainmondo has been shifting the goalposts since Trump's foreign policy speech. First it was Trump is anti-war, now it's Trump is the way for the anti-war movement to get its foot in the door. He reminds me of the anti-war libertarians who though Obama was the lesser evil on war back in 2008.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, Obama does look like the lesser evil on war compared to McCain right now, although that's a very low bar.
DeleteThis is true but Obama-tarians were so gun ho that he was going to end the War in Iraq and close Gitmo they firmly believed that he was a change in foreign policy, Trump-itarians like Rainmondo is acting similar in that regard
DeleteI personally think Libertarians should reject political action. Ron Paul being the great exception, but Dr. Paul wasn't about ruling us or even being the president. His campaign was about getting the message of Liberty and Free Market to the people. Heck, to the whole world really. I think his work at the RPI is even more important.
ReplyDeleteTrump is no such thing.
Sheldon is sticking to something that many Libertarians think is optional these days, our principles. If Libertarians waver and compromise, then we are no better than conservative republicans.
We have not yet, as a whole, tried what I think is the only thing that will change the landscape, remove consent, work against every aspect of the State by changing minds. Sure there are great Libertarian out reaches, great blogs, great Institutions, but we shoot our message in the foot when we clamor for some politician.
We should be, and should be known as, the Radicals. No compromise.
"Do you Hate the State?"
No Kings.
No Priests.
Darryl Perry feels this way as well, I watched an interview of him on Lions of Liberty and he flat out said that the main goal isn't to win, its to get the message out.
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