Thursday, June 14, 2018

The Sick Men of the Trump Administration...



...who justify separating parents from their children as an illegal immigration deterrent.

 "The children will be taken care of, put in foster care, whatever" -RW  

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  1. RW, what happened to your sage advice to steer clear of the State's policing apparatus? Would you be surprised to learn that caught tax cheats and dope dealers are also separated from their children? Let's look at the reality of the situation: these parents are putting their families in jeopardy by committing illegal acts, regardless of what one thinks about the law.

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    1. Yes, RW should ignore predations at the hands of state thugs and instead give us lectures on prudence...

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    2. "Let's look at the reality of the situation..."

      Lolbertarians don't do that, they just prefer to whine and fantasize about their private property society where there are no borders and everyone is brown.

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    3. Operating in reality doesn't get you a cushy do nothing job for the Koch Bros.

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    4. Re: Stuffed Pimento,

      --- Would you be surprised to learn that caught tax cheats[...]---

      Wait, what's a "tax cheat"? I only know people who protect their property the best way they can.

      Are Trumpistas shills for Omnipotent State? Is the Pope Catholic?

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    5. Yes, throwing people in jail and seizing their kids for tax "cheating" and drug-dealing should end immediately too.
      Or is your point that because the government Mafia commits some outrages, it should be allowed others?
      If only your types respected the time-honored sanctity of the Family as zealously as you respect the sanctity of the State. But I guess you pick-and-choose your conservatism...

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    6. Unknown, Trumpistas aren't conservatives. They have always been Fascists, using the proper and correct meaning of the word.

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    7. @Unknown

      Not to stray too far off topic, but I think you've put your finger on a major philosophical problem of conservatism as a political ethos.

      The basic idea behind conservatism is extremely sound and quite insightful: survivorship bias means that good policies tend to self-perpetuate. Often this is in the form of "organizational knowledge" that defies rational scrutiny. Therefore, if a policy has withstood the test of time, you should probably have some extremely sound rational reasons for overturning it. Burke, Hayek, and (more recently) Sowell and Taleb have done great work emphasizing these points.

      But making this insight the basis of a political ideology runs into major problems. Logically, it reduces to a kind of deterministic panglossianism ("whatever is, should be") eliminating any basis for advocating policy changes. This could potentially be avoided by selecting a particular ideal past state (e.g. "1800's America") but (1) the selection of the particular time/place is often totally arbitrary and (2) no one actually does this, because it would mean endorsing slavery, prohibitions on women owning property, etc.

      The way most conservatives resolve this is, like you said, picking and choosing (e.g. advocating "the policies that made this country great") which really just begs the question, and again is totally arbitrary and impossible to avoid bias.

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  2. RW, have you heard of a concept called "moral hazard"?

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    1. Like the moral hazard that's created when armed kidnap children and the rest of us put up with it.

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    2. 'Muh feelz' is apparently libertarian doctrine these days.

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    3. Re: Twerking Stupid,
      --- Muh feelz' is apparently libertarian doctrine these days. ---

      No, NON AGGRESSION has been libertarian doctrine.

      Trumpista doctrine is "Boo hoo, them Immigruntz takum er jeeeeebz!"

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  3. Wenzel is a lefty walking under the Rothbard/Mises/Block umbrella.. been saying that forever..

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    1. “An-Cap” rushing in to white knight the president? Riiight...

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  4. I do not understand most of you - granting the State power to determine who may go where and when is entirely antithetical to libertarian/anarchist/NAP principles. You are honestly disgusting statist monsters and pigs

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    1. Perfectly stated, Danger Pioneer. Libertarianism and the Liberty Movement have been contaminated and infiltrated by Neocons, Buckley-ites and far-right Nationalists. For them, the end justifies the means.

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  5. Wow.The people commenting here are a truly lovely bunch. I can't think of a single valid reason for separating children from parents for any mere legal violation, even if we assume that the law is just. The notion that taking the kids away from the parents is merely punishing the parents is falt out horrible thinking, intellectually and morally--as if harming the parents is justification for harming the children by fored separation. Perhaps we can also justify putting the children in slave labor camps, tortuing them in front of the parents, or murdering them--as a way of punishing these "horrible" parents.

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    1. Don’t give them any ideas

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    2. Alas, they're already on to this idea in the area of foreign affairs. It's called sanctions, the sole purpose of which is to harm citizens to put pressure on regimes.

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  6. A lot these policies began under obama. Where was Wenzel then? The after effect of a trump win. What is happening is finally being leaked? Most entertaining presidency I have seen.

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    1. Even RW suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

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  7. They need to be separated and then deported back to their home countries. I'm sorry their countries suck balls, but they need to stay over there and fix it themselves. They know the risk and we need to protect Americans first. You open border libertardian trash need to renounce your US citizenship and move to one of the poop hole countries in Central America, the Carribean, or Africa. We have nothing to feel guilty about. America is the most generous country on earth, but these people have to go back.

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  8. The worst you can possibly say about illegal travelers--er, I mean, illegal immigrants, is that they have trespassed (and even that is a stretch in many cases, since it relies on the abstract and misguided argument that every American citizen "owns" the entire territory within America's borders). So where and when has the breach of trespass (which is more of a civil breach---a tort---than a crime anyway) ever been punished by summarily arresting the transgressor and TAKING AWAY THEIR CHILDREN---?!
    Some of the bitter, angry, ugly, anti-immigration freaks at this site are Exhibit A of how Americans have lost their character, their virtue, their "American Exceptionalism", and have abandoned the "Spirit of '76."

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  9. It's awesome Seri g how ma y tough guys we have around here. They are easy to spot. Just look for the adults who afraid of all the little brown kids. Such machismo! How do you walk around with balls that big?

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