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Thursday, June 21, 2018

Do the Progressives and the Hard Left really think they have something going here?


Stuffed Pimento at the post, How to Discuss the Government Child Separation Issue From a Libertarian Perspective,  quotes Ron Paul who said on one of his broadcasts "Politically speaking, I think the Progressives and the Hard Left really think they have something going here."

Apparently Stuffed thinks this is some kind of support for taking kids from their parents.

Principled Libertarian chimes in with "Amazing pull, Pimento."

But Dr. Paul is just pointing out a fact. The Progressives and the Hard Left are using the child-parent separation for political gain.

You have to be pretty obtuse not to understand that. To support the separation of a child from a parent who is seeking a better life is not going to get you many fans. It is morally reprehensible and the Left is using it to its advantage.

As I said from the time of Trump's presidential election victory, the socialists are going to be the big winners during the Trump presidency. This is proof positive. And I also said, Trump supporters will follow him anywhere, as they are doing on this crazed parent-child separation issue.

This is a big win for the left. We are losing even more kids to the socialists.

The separation of parents from children is evil and all libertarians should stand strong against this so kids just forming political views can become aware that there is objection to evil statists that does not include socialism.

-RW  

14 comments:

  1. --- You have to be pretty obtuse not to understand that. ---

    But they are obtuse. Stuffed Pimento and the guy who pretends to be a libertarian didn't read the read carefully: Dr. Paul says clearly that most immigrants are hard working people and SHOULD BE INVITED IN. He's only saying that people who break laws shouldn't be given quick citizenship. That's a valid point, consistent with his views and one that contrasts heavily with what Trumpistas are claiming which is that immigrants are invaders and "infesting" this country, whether they're given citizenship or not.

    Just like the Keeblee Elf quoted the bible out of context to defend the terrible policies pursued by the DOJ, these Trumpistas are quoting Dr. Paul with no regard of what he's really arguing, which is not for full immigration prohibition or to commit outrageous acts of violence against immigrants, not even close to it.

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  2. Liberals will win this issue until everyone realizes they've been supporting Child Protective Services separating children from their parents -- often for questionable reasons -- for decades.

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  3. "Apparently Stuffed thinks this is some kind of support for taking kids from their parents."

    I didn't say that at all. We have several issues going on here. One is the labeling of political factions. The libwaps here have been calling the true libertarians and conservatives Nazis and Fascists, while the true libertarians have been calling the libwaps SJWs, virtue signalers and Cultural Marxists. I included this quote to show that Ron Paul also believes you libwaps are doing the bidding of the Hard Left / Progressives and their staged crises due to your TDS (hence the title of his vlog "Border "Crisis" - Is It All About The Children...Or Hatred Of Trump?").

    You're hysterically crying "Trump is turning everyone Socialist" while backing the socialists. It's astounding what TDS does to a person.

    My preference is that invading parents and children are detained, prosecuted and then thrown the hell out of the country together. I think the law should also prosecute the invader children so they can't get here legally later in life. This is a better deterrent to these parents (most of whom sent their kids alone with coyotes) than temporarily breaking up the family after they arrive. By the way, these invaders skipped over 9 US Consulates in Mexico where they could have applied for refugee or asylum status. Why?

    Also, you're absolutely wrong in thinking this is a win for the Left. Donald Trump is about to win on Immigration. This was maybe a hiccup or maybe a needed catalyst. But it's going to help Trump (and Americans) in the end. We're already starting to see it: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/june_2018/voters_blame_parents_not_feds_for_border_children_crisis

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    1. Re: Stuffed Pimento,

      --- The libwaps here have been calling the true libertarians and conservatives Nazis and Fascists, ---


      Liar.

      --- My preference is that invading parents and children are detained ---

      Yet you wonder why you're called a Fascist?

      You're no libertarian, You're just another ghoul who revels in seeing people suffering from the unfettered aggressions committed on them by the State. It's like your porn. You're disgusting.

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  4. I want to know what kinds of parents drag their young children across the crime infested deserts of northern Mexico? Do we even know how many are their real parents and not traffickers? Pizza anyone?

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    1. I coincidentally answered your first question at the end of the Comments section of "TRUMP CAVES: Signs Executive Order Requiring That Children and Adults Be Kept Together."

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    2. Re: Robert What,

      --- I want to know what kinds of parents drag their young children across the crime infested deserts of northern Mexico? ---

      The kind of parents that want freedom for their kids, over fear, threats, violence and intimidation.

      Perhaps you Trumpistas should reduce freedom in the US t North Korean levels so that people stop coming here.

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  5. There is a child-separation problem because there is an immigration of marginally productive people problem.

    There is an immigration of marginally productive people problem precisely because there is a social welfare problem distorting the immigration decision.

    When people endorse taking money and resources from some without consent and giving it to others they are endorsing a chain of cause and effect, where one infringement, initiation of aggression naturally leads to an escalating series of others.

    It's the statism.

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    1. Re: Montecristo,

      ---- There is a child-separation problem because there is an immigration of marginally productive people problem. ----

      That's not a 'problem'. The only problem, the only guilty party, is the state. And calling them "marginally productive people" doesn't say anything, since the ONLY people whose opinion matters in that regard is the people willing to EMPLOY them, with their own money. That means: Mind your own business for a gawd-damned change.

      --- When people endorse taking money and resources from some without consent and giving it to others they are endorsing a chain of cause and effect ---

      Perhaps but then your beef is with the government. Leave other people alone.

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    2. You are forgetting all coups the US has sponsored in Latin America or revolutions or counter revolutions. Also the war on drugs. Legalize all drugs and stop funding the Evil NGOs then put a knife through the heart of the CIA and most of these immagrants won't be risking life and limb for an outside chance they might find stable work in a country where they can't even speak the language.

      Do you have any ideas the risks they are taking. Get out a pencil and plan a fictitious uprooting of your whole family to Japan or something. It's scary to even think about that and you probably have 1000X more recourses than that of a poor Honduran.

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  6. But how do we know all those 'chill'in' are the biological children of these illegal criminals? I don't see the problem with this policy. There is nothing immoral about it and we need to discourage illegal immigration. If they can't show a valid America birth certificate, they need to be booted out of the country pronto.

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    1. Re: He-who-fantasizes-about-white-European-males,

      --- But how do we know all those 'chill'in' are the biological children of these illegal criminals? ---

      The Trumpista child molesters shouldn't have separated the children from the parents in the first place.

      --- There is nothing immoral about it and we need to discourage illegal immigration. ---

      Those two things cannot be true at the same time. Either accept that kidnapping children serves as a deterrent regardless of its immorality, or accept the deterrent is immoral.

      --- If they can't show a valid America birth certificate ---

      Oh, you're a mendacious f*ck. An American birth certificate? Really?

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  7. libertarians will lose again and again to the socialists because when libertarians call out the evils of the state it's labeled a "conspiracy theory" if it's even covered in the media at all.

    The only thing libertarians have is to say they called it out years before the democrats did and without the political timing.

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    1. Re: Jimmy Joe Meeker,

      --- libertarians will lose again and again to the socialists [...] ---

      What is clear is that the Socialists haven't been this emboldened since... ever. That has nothing to do with libertarians but with Trump and Treumpistas.

      Robert Wenzel, Fox News 'Cashin' In' guest Jonathan Hoenig, many of us Anarcho-capitalists warned everyone, since 2015, that Trump was going to be the face of Capitalism for at least a generation to come. It was Trump who emboldened Socialists, who provided the Socialists with a breath of fresh air. Accusing libertarians for their lack of loyalty to the p*ssy grabber serves no other purpose that deflecting away your own guilt.

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