Sunday, December 31, 2017

Infowars Attacks Ron Paul

The video below is a perfect example of how the Trump presidency is moving many away from libertarian principles.

In a recent must watch episode of the Liberty Report, Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams discuss the horrific Executive Order just signed by President Trump that will allow the US government to freeze the US assets of individuals or corporations worldwide who have violated "human rights" or have engaged in corruption.

Trump supporters, including the Infowars commentators in the clip below, argue
that this will be a way to go after Hillary Clinton. But as Dr. Paul and McAdams point out, if the Trump administration really wanted to go after Hillary, there are plenty of laws she has likely broken that she could be prosecuted for without this new EO.

This new EO simply introduces a major new weapon the government can use against its enemies.

If this EO would have been signed by former President Obama or a President Hillary Clinton, Infowars would be screaming non-stop. But because it is Trump that signed the EO, they are supporting the evil and very dangerous order.

This is just another example of how Trump is co-opting the anti-big government crowd.

There are not many anti-Clintonites around like Ron Paul and Daniel McAdams who have not been caught up in supporting the in the banana republic populous expanding oppressive measures of the Trump regime.

The one thing the Trump administration is doing is helping us learn who the true supporters of liberty are.

  

UPDATE

Daniel McAdams, executive director of the Ron Paul Institute emails:

What really makes the Executive order so bad: It is not against those "who have violated" because we don't know whether they have violated or not -- they get no charges or trial! They are "found" by some bureaucrat to have violated. Very different from being convicted of such actions. That is what opens the door to politicization, as the charges never have to face scrutiny in a court of law. A Trump stooge acts as judge, jury, and executioner. Total banana republic stuff!


-RW

20 comments:

  1. Bob, your are astoundingly naive. I donated to RP for the Tea Party Money Bomb, so my support goes way back.

    The Deep State, which you seem to recognize exists, would've eaten Ron Paul alive. They play very dirty, for keeps, and they do not abide by any rules. You also don't seem to understand that much of Trump's base, like me, were quite strident Ron Paul supporters in the day. Objectively what Trump is doing appears to be very evil to your oh-so-genteel libertarian NAP sensitivities. That's peachy, in an ideal world. You seem to be under some delusion by thinking rolling the leviathan state back is just a simple matter. It's not. It's a war, a very real and dirty war, even if most of what's happening is not visible to vast hordes of normies out there. Are you even following what's going on beyond the MSM and the likes of Alex Jones? I got news for you. Anyone in the office of the President could do what Trump is doing. He has not set any precedent. I, among many, am quite satisfied to see the tools the Deep State created to be used against us instead directed against them. You are naive, dangerously so, for thinking that Hillary would've been held back by a Republican majority Congress. And going after her and the other elements of the Deep State is no simple matter. Why else has she not been taken down yet, despite all the obvious many misdeeds she and her sycophants are plainly guilty of.

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  2. You purists just can't win. I myself have never been a purist.

    Plus, it's perfectly Constitutional to steal all of a defendant's resources before trial so he can't hire a good lawyer. They do it in the drug war all the time!

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    1. Re: Bob Roddis,

      --- Plus, it's perfectly Constitutional to steal all of a defendant's resources before trial so he can't hire a good lawyer. ---

      That is actually a lie. Asset forfeiture may be 'law' but that doesn't mean it jives with the 4th Amendment.

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    2. Sarcasm. And I've always been a purist.

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  3. The one thing the Trump administration is doing is helping us learn who the true supporters of liberty are.
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    Exactly, many masks have come off or starting to come off. Its kinda funny in regards to InfoWars though because it was through them how I discovered CopBlock and Photography is Not A Crime.

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  4. Sounds to me like we have a bunch of Isildors here who are unwilling to throw the ring I to the fire because they are enraptured with all the wonderful good they imagine they can do with it. The Ring will not save Condos. It has only the power to destroy. Throw it in the fire.

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  5. Donxon, there is no fire to throw the ring into. That's what dogmatists like you just don't get. Who talked about wonderful good? I talked about destroying my enemies. They want to destroy me, and nothing can change that. Sheesh.

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    1. Trump seizing Hillary's assets before trial so she can't hire a good lawyer might be excellent publicity for getting rid of the practice, but it is more likely that it would make the practice even more permanent than it is. And folks would contribute to the Hillary legal defense fund in any event and she'd get lots of free legal advice and help.

      Just indict her (already) like the normal street criminal that she is.

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    2. No they wouldn't. SJWs never put their own skin in the game. Who do you think has funded all the BLM and Antifa protests, and why have they suddenly petered out?

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    3. OK. I get it. Since Democrats won't come to the aid of Hillary so that she might hire a good defense lawyer, we need to establish a precedent that the party in power can strip their opponents of all of their assets BEFORE TRIAL so that they cannot never mount a defense to government charges.

      Who could possibly have a problem with that?

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    4. It was not the courage or valor of Frodo that destroyed The Ring, but rather the wickedness and weakness of Gollum.

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    5. Way to misconstrue the point Tolkien was trying to make, Donxon. The courage or valor of the hero essentially played no part? Yes, Gollum destroyed The Ring after trekking it all the way to Mt. Doom by himself, for "greedy and wicked" purposes... You sound like a liberal, disparaging virtue and failing to get the point. This is a "realism" so hard-headedly cynical that it has lost its connection to reality. Politics does that to people.

      On the other hand, it is also funny to see people playing the political game, all the while expecting something other than politics to happen. Shimson's philosophical position may be terribly lamentable, but it is one entirely consistent for a political animal to hold. The interesting question is why people like Mr. Roddis keep expecting something different from this game. This is expecting chastity in the house of ill-repute. Power, of necessity, always serves itself first. This is its nature. You can't accomplish something through the coercion and manipulation of political power without amassing the power first. People who are good at amassing power are not in the business of divesting themselves of it. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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  6. The fears of HRC and the deep state WRT Trump are not liberty blossoming but that Trump would put them all in prison and destroy their rackets. Trump doesn't believe in liberty. He might send some enemies of liberty to prison but he himself is an enemy of liberty. He won't make us any freer or less plundered or less managed. He's a statist. He believes in the state and like so many statists believes the only reason it doesn't work was because he wasn't running it. Now he is. It still won't work.

    Might he be a setback for the establishment? Certainly, but liberty isn't even on the program. Support Trump for that if you wish but there's no reason to conflate support of liberty with support of Trump's damaging of the establishment.

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  7. Jehu was the tenth king of the northern Kingdom of Israel since Jeroboam I, noted for exterminating the house of Ahab at the instruction of Jehovah. He was the son of Jehoshaphat, and grandson of Nimshi. His reign lasted for 28 years.

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    1. Who begat him and who did he beget and which of his sons married whom and begat whom else? -- That is the real question.

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    1. I dunno, but he was Sheik of the burning sand.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYn_6NjcopY

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  9. I can understand libertarians being glad Trump won over Hillary, but to actually support him is no different than supporting George W. Tolerate him as the lesser of two evils, yes. To support him is to surrender your principles. Actually, to support him says to me you never actually had principles that a libertarian would recognize.

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  10. Libertarianism is impossible in a condition of open borders and a generous welfare state, such as we have now. Trump is neither Libertarian nor Conservative. He is reactionary. At least he was up until he seemed to throw his lot in with the NeoCons.

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  11. In this instance Ron Paul is correct, as he is almost always, and the Infowars news team is not, although I regard Alex Jones generally as a defender and promoter of liberty. In the age of the Trump Revolution it becomes even more vitally important that we not use evil means (unconstitutional, antiliberty, unjust asset forfeiture laws) to achieve good and necessary ends, such as bringing enemies of the human race such as Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and George Soros to justice.

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