Sunday, February 5, 2017

On My "Nauseating and Silly" Use of the Term "Trump Fanboys"

Unknown writes, remarkably at the post, Trump Authorized Three Targeted Killings During His First Days in Office:
I admire and support both Mises and Hayek. How do you explain Mises & Hayek time as soldiers in the Austrian Military? Or fleeing country and not standing and fighting Hitler? Or Mises living in a rent controlled NYC apartment? While I agree with you in most all matters your tone in calling people "Trump Fanboys" is nauseating and silly! Were you rooting for McGovern versus Reagan in 1980? Or Dinkins over Giuliani! Just saying! "Accentuate The Positive" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qk9o_ZeR7s
I believe fighting for a government is always wrong. I think it is dumb. I do not hail the time Mises and Hayek spent as soldiers.

I support their fleeing Austria ahead of the advance of Hitler. If I had been in their position I would have done the same thing. What would you do, wait to get herded into an oven?

I have written many times that government monopoly makes it impossible for us to live in a world that is free of government regulations. No doubt there were all kinds of distortions in rental markets in New York City because of rent controls when Mises lived in the city (and many distortions continue to this day), but what was Mises supposed to do about this? I am sure the care and maintenance of his building were in decline because of the rent controls, there was no free market exchange here. Both sides, landlord and renter, had to make do with the situation. I am sure Mises also used government sidewalks, used ATT telephone service which was a monopoly at the time, and used Federal Reserve created banknotes! What do you do?

I am not sure what I am supposed to do because you get nauseated over the term "Trump Fanboys." That is how I view libertarians who seem to have a blind allegiance to Trump. The idea that there are  "Trump Fanboys" should be nauseating.

Trump is bad on many, many issues. He is terrible on trade. You posted your comment on your nauseated state at a post that reported on his drone strikes! How do the drone strikes make you feel?

He appears that he will soon get us more heavily involved in foreign military adventures and he has nominated for Treasury Secretary a former Goldman Sachs crony who wants to expand the size of the IRS! And this doesn't make you nauseated but my calling blind libertarian supporters of Trump "Libertarian Trump Fanboys" does?

Trump may be good on some issues and he is challenging parts of the establishment (but not the military), so I have no problem with libertarians cheering when Trump does something that moves the country in the direction of liberty but supporting Trump without qualifications is in my view a big mistake and a distortion of libertarianism.

I don't get your point,  "McGovern versus Reagan in 1980? Or Dinkins over Giuliani!".

I never supported any of them but I did point out when they took a policy step in the direction of liberty or against it. But further, what is this talk, about support for one candidate over another about, now? This question to me suggests more Trump Fanboy delusion. Hillary lost, why can't we just examine the current policies that Trump is putting into place?

Accentuating the positive when it appears Trump is going to do so much evil is the last thing libertarians need to do, especially when most of the resistance to Trump is coming from the very confused left. Someone needs to talk reality and that should be libertarians.

-RW

15 comments:

  1. Bob,

    Although I was thrilled by Trump's election and have found his actions overall positive so far, am grateful for your constant reminder of the danger of the state and his potential for being disastrous at any time. When I heard of the terrible attack in Yemen you immediately came to mind.

    Michel

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    1. His actions overall have not be libertarian or pro-market, so how could you rate him overall positive?

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  2. You stated on a post on your blog that you wanted Hillary to win! So from now on I will refer to you as "Hillary's BITCH" unless you stop with the Fanboy CRAP!

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    1. Lame response, you offer no argument. Who are you? Why hide behind "unknown"?

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  3. The thing about the Trump Fanboys is that they never really cared about liberty. They attacked Obama on the killing and other authoritarian stuff because it was just another thing to attack him on. Their big problem was that their fragile little egos were hurt because there was a Black liberal who didn't care about them as president. Now they feel better that Daddy Trump is petting them to sleep at night, so they will defend him no matter what crazed plan he comes up with.

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    1. Bingo. Same with Assange. They don't care anything about transparency or exposing mass murder by the US Govt. It was just another tool to bash Hillary with, so they pretended to care with their #FreeAssange hashtags.

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    2. @Dexter

      Exactly, it was hilarious to watch these same people who use the #FreeAssange then say that Snowden along with Manning are traitors.

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  4. BOOM. Well said Wenzel. Twas a nauseating and silly comment in the first place.

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  5. --- That is how I view libertarians who seem to have a blind allegiance to Trump. The idea that there are "Trump Fanboys" should be nauseating. ---

    I prefer the term "Trumpista" when referring to any Trump fan boy. A Trumpista is a right-wing Socialist, a chauvinist who is incredibly ignorant of basic economics. Trumpistas are as hostile towards individual liberty and free markets as their brethren on the Socialist left, bu at least leftists make no pretense of speaking for those things. Leftists are nuts; Trumpistas are charlatans.

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  6. Speaking of the Trumpitarians, leftist Jeremy Scahill challenged Rainmondo to a debate at a year from now on Trump's war and civil liberties record. I wonder if Justin will have the spine to do it.

    https://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/828384515794071553

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  7. You took a lemon and made some lemonade. Thank you for the interesting post.

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  8. The problem with your "Trump fanboys" taunt is that if fails to hit the mark. What I see here on your blog is commenters praising Trump when he is right, and criticizing him when he is wrong. It is this you can "Trump fanboys". Weak sauce, Wenzel.

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    1. What I see is Trump mostly wrong, shocker for a head of state, and a large number of "libertarians" defending said head of state despite the fact he is no libertarian and has done almost nothing positive except piss of the politically correct (woo-hoo). Really bizarre. The title fanboy is often appropriate.

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  9. There is something very similar to the the reflexive defensiveness of party loyalists (fanpeople of political celebrities) and familial (tribal) protectiveness.
    It seems to be some kind of biological imperative and therefore a pointless endeavor to challenge it most of the time.

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