Thursday, August 25, 2016

Government Versus Free Markets

Lifted from a Bob Roddis comment:
I still maintain that people ALWAYS vote tribal, ethnic or religious (and it gets worse the more government there is to vote on) but they tend to BUY the best products regardless of tribe. That is why democratic socialism always tends towards ethnic conflict in multi-ethnic countries. The solution is to cut down on the scope of government so that the largest (winning) ethnic group does not "own" the entire society where the government controls the entire society.

I always look to private property, contracts and sound money as the solutions to social problems. The alt-right seems to have no more understanding of those concepts than the Keynesian "left".

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  1. "The alt-right seems to have no more understanding of those concepts than the Keynesian "left"."

    You are full of shit Roddis. I know for fact that a significant portion of those who identify as Alt-Right, and especially Neo-reaction [NRx] (http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/), have read the Austrians and know that Keynes belongs in an oven. Most Southern (white) Nationalists, are well read in libertarianism. Woods, DiLorenzo, and Rothbard were all members of the League of the South. See the Rebel Yell podcast, Libertarian Realist, or Christopher Cantwell's Radical Agenda. Many of us were, or still are, right-wing libertarians.

    You are either ignorant or dishonest.

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    1. Please read the entire comment and the other comments to which I was reacting.



      http://www.targetliberty.com/2016/08/hillary-is-about-to-label-donald-trump.html?showComment=1472162413453&m=0#c1698706526416829523

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    2. OK Bob I read it. I didn't miss anything. You are using Vox Day to explain the Alt-Right. Vox is a controversial figure among the Alt-Right. A lot of people hate him and he is well known to the more mainstream crowds because he is good at self-promotion. Let us assume for the sake of argument that he is a good representation of the Alt-right. Vox is an Austrian economist. He breaks from the orthodoxy in several areas, especially free trade, (see his debate with Bob Murphy) but he fully understands the material.

      "The alt-right seems to have no more understanding of those concepts than the Keynesian "left"."

      This is what I was responding to and the claim is factually incorrect. We absolutely have more understanding of these issues than the Keynesian left because many of us come out of Rothbardian Libertarianism. I have read this site, LRC, and Mises for years (and still do).

      "I always look to private property, contracts and sound money as the solutions to social problems."

      This is where you fail. You put the cart before the horse. The only way to implement these solutions (whether or not they are solutions in themselves is another debate) is to hold power. You are talking about revolutionary change and that is going to be determined by forces external to law and economics. One of the main reasons the elite are importing the global south and pushing anti-white cultural marxist BS is to weaken the ethnic foundations that are the prerequisite to unified resistance against the occupation governments.

      How the hell do you plan to implement a private property-sound money regime in the current year?

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    3. I should have limited the comment to Vox Day. However, if ethnic nationalist AnCaps and ethnic nationalist statists are both “Alt-right”, then the term is not particularly helpful.

      I was aware of Vox Day’s familiarity with Austrian Economics because I had read all of these posts:

      https://voxday.blogspot.com/search?q=austrian

      My main point was:

      I always look to private property, contracts and sound money as the solutions to social problems. The alt-right seems to have no more understanding of those concepts than the Keynesian "left".

      I think that AnCap can solve all of the problems associated with ethnic differences. If you think they cannot, explain why. I have never seen such an explanation.

      Further, VD claims that “free trade” is associated “free” movement of ethnic groups. I do not believe that is the case under AnCap.

      How the hell do you plan to implement a private property-sound money regime in the current year?

      How do you plan to close the SJW controlled universities and law schools in the current year?

      You must start with a vision and then proceed to gain a consensus for that vision. There’s no point in jumping from the frying pan of the SJWs into the fire of statist populism.

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  2. Good response Bob. I have no idea nor do I care what the Alt-Right is but a "right-wing libertarian" is an oxymoron. I do agree with your comments that liberty's challenge is to limit the power of government. And adherence to "...private property, contracts and sound money..." could accomplish this. But adherence to these principles requires a population of mostly rational people acting mostly rational most of the time. This requires people who have a view that extends beyond their own life. And despite the increasing life expectancy in our current world there seem to be more and more people with short-term views embracing irrational behavior. Only nature and time can change this.

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    1. A right-wing libertarian is not an oxymoron; in fact, it is the original libertarian movement of Rothbard, now propagated by Hoppe. http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch5.html

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