Monday, October 26, 2015

The Non-Libertarian Trump

Some recent tweets:

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  1. Trump never claimed to be a libertarian so I don't know what's the big deal. Libertarianism is a failed ideology. I formerly identified as a libertarian but not anymore. As far as I can tell, libertarianism primarily stands for Butt-sex, Drugs, Rock n' Roll, and open borders. There is nothing wrong with having a dislike for the state but libertarians, for the most part, reject all authority. For example, whenever you see the anarchist "A" with a circle around it, the circle symbolically is a rejection of God's authority (the same circle is used by the occult in conjunction with pentagram and hexagrams). There will always be heiarchy and legitimate authority in any functioning society. And the libertarians love of open borders is beyond the pale. Libertarian economic theories are valid because it takes into account human nature. But libertarian social policy fails because it discounts human nature. A part of human nature is ethnic/racial/group identity. In group Identity is the rule of human nature. Individualism is the exception to the rule. Open borders immigration could only work if a) there is no state, and b) people don't act collectively to further a particular group interest. People do act collectively. Furthermore, libertarianism has a basis in English common law. Invite cultures than are not based on English common law and libertarianism will no longer exist. It will be replaced by a foreign culture. But libertarians are so autistic about the NAP, they reject Identity reflexively.

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    1. "I formerly identified as a libertarian but not anymore. As far as I can tell, libertarianism primarily stands for Butt-sex, Drugs, Rock n' Roll, and open borders."

      Have you ever considered the possibility that you misidentified yourself?

      "But libertarians are so autistic about the NAP"

      Well, it seems like you might have understood what libertarianism is about despite your claim otherwise.

      Not knowing how exactly you meant the word "autistic", I'll assume you meant something along the lines from the expanded definition on this site:

      http://autisticadvocacy.org/home/about-asan/about-autism/

      The two most relevant being:

      "Deeply focused thinking and passionate interests in specific subjects."
      "Need for consistency, routine, and order."

      Anyway, your complaints about open borders really stem from a lack of understanding in regard to how a private property society would work- but since private property is a grey area under the current paradigm, I can understand your frustration.

      It's just that you're blaming the wrong people/system. The problem of "open borders" is a government problem from start to finish.

      No one would care about "open borders" if everything was privately owned and money wasn't being taken from all of us to support "illegals" that come here on get on the dole, etc. et al

      "Illegals" would be trespassers, and that would be handled by the property owners themselves. But government is inept in its supposed duty to protect property owners(and even gov'ts own land), much like it's inept in even handling the long term needs of basic infrastructure. (water, roads, etc.)





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    2. Re: Jeff Davis,
      ─As far as I can tell, libertarianism primarily stands for Butt-sex, Drugs, Rock n' Roll, and open borders.─

      That's an interesting view you hold, Jeff. Tell me, what exactly is your problem with butt sex, drugs or Rock 'n Roll?

      Libertarianism is a political philosophy that holds as the greatest goal worth achieving the maximum personal liberty, and as its moral doctrine the Non-Aggression Principle.

      ─There will always be heiarchy and legitimate authority in any functioning society.─

      Of course, as long as all transactions are voluntary, Jeff. My boss is the authority within the company I work for. That is the arrangement I accept willingly. I go above and beyond the minimum required of me in order to achieve a better transactional position.

      Instead, I don't accept the "authority" that is imposed on me by force. I only avoid confrontation with it by doing the barest of bare minimums to comply with its authority.

      That is the problem with your criticism: You accept as "legitimate" ANY form or authority whether it stems from voluntary acceptance or at the end of the bayonet. I am a libertarian, which means I see the difference between the two. You simply choose to conflate the two.

      ─Open borders immigration could only work if a) there is no state, and b) people don't act collectively to further a particular group interest. People do act collectively.─

      I don't understand why would you say that collective action (which is impossible, by the way, for there will always be at least one non-conformist) means there cannot be open-border immigration, or why would you think open-border immigration is antithetical to a state or polity. Open borders does not mean people come in to take, only that they can come in to transact. It would be up to the property owners to transact with the immigrants as they deem.

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    3. "That's an interesting view you hold, Jeff. Tell me, what exactly is your problem with butt sex, drugs or Rock 'n Roll? "

      It's degenerate.

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    4. Very interesting post Jeff. Dont agree with it all but I have to admit the part about libertarian philosophy being born of English common law is spot on. I cant think of other cultures having developed a libertarian philosophy. Correct me if I'm wrong but the more multi-cultural this county becomes the more authoritarian it becomes. Its almost like libertarian is some kind of DNA makeup. Interesting stuff to think about.

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  2. ─Word is that Ford Motor, because of my constant badgering at packed events, is going to cancel their deal to go to Mexico and stay in U.S.─

    ... because Ford loves losing money out of a patriotic duty or because is such a celebrity among the Trumpistas.

    Talk about narcissism.

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