Tuesday, May 11, 2021

On the Safety of COVID-19 Vaccines

I originally wrote the below within 24 hours of putting up the post  "If COVID-19 vaccines are so safe why the necessity for blanket liability protection?". I never posted it because I thought it was too easy for others to take it out of context and claim I was supporting the COVID-19 vaccine. The risk-reward just wasn't there. I didn't want to spend additional time defending what I said when Western Civilization is collapsing around us. There are bigger battles to fight. One of them being that the government shouldn't be ordering us to wear masks or promote the vaccination.

My perspective was and continues to be that the data we have is not put in context so we don't know enough about the vaccine, positive or negative, (but that it is certainly absurd for anyone under 60 to take the shot). Further, I am highly suspicious of the reports of the safety of the vaccine. 

But even my original post has now garnered the claim that I was pro-vaccine and changing my view.

At a new post, FDA Approves Vaccine for 12 to 15 Year Olds, a commenter, "just right" makes the claim that  "your philosophical foundation is weak and muddled, changing positions 180 degrees within a week. Pitiful really, our thought leaders."

I haven't changed anything. In response at the post, I note that the commenter either has a "reading comprehension problem or is deliberately misleading by not providing full context." (See the post for my full response.)

I am proud of the fact, as I have stated before, that I immediately called out logical errors on both sides of the COVID-19 discussion (See: A Serious Problem With Richard Epstein's Optimistic Case On the Spread of COVID-19 and Will 2.2 Million Americans Die From COVID-19?).

So with the above in mind, I am now publishing what I originally wrote. I have no doubt that I will have to defend myself from a distortion master who twists my words when I am really trying to stick to the logic of the thing wherever it takes me. 

But at the request of JMJ, I will publish my responses to original commenters although I really do not want to generally spend a lot of time going down a rabbit hole where the problems in the arguments appear obvious to me and the battle is greater -RW

 I want to follow up on some of the comments left at the post "If COVID-19 vaccines are so safe why the necessity for blanket liability protection?"

Commenter A:

You agree the vaccines appear to be risky, and I say that in this case: risky = dangerous. Add to this the abundant circumstantial evidence of pharma cronyism and a government belching deceit, deceit, deceit, for a year now with no end in sight, etc., and I think the ground is solid enough to call this "vaccine" dangerous. 

 RW: I said the vaccines appear to be risky. That is far from saying they are risky or dangerous. Once again we don't have full context and data to properly evaluate the risks.

Government cronyism proves nothing, ZERO about the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines. Though cronyism could cause the government to hide negative effects but cronyism is not proof of ineffectiveness or danger.

Commenter B:

Dr Lidiya Angelova – Microbiologist in a three part (so far) article makes the point about these mRNA “vaccines” for C-19, which induce creation of the virus Spike protein, can, have and will cause health issues for recipients. And as the title eludes for those receiving blood donated by the vaccinated.

“We should have the right to refuse blood transfusions from vaccinated for COVID-19 but can we?”


She links to this tweet:

This is anecdotal evidence at best. There is no indication how long Dr. Baselga was ill or even if he received a COVID-19 vaccine. According to the CDC, infection with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (which reports indicate he died from), kills about a million people a year.

Baselga was  AstraZeneca’s head of oncology research, so who the hell knows what he touched? Equipment exposed to prions (Creutzfeldt-Jakob is a subset) is extremely difficult to sterilize.

If we hear about many other cases, it might indicate a problem but a medical professional publishing one case, in order to prove danger (especially from someone who could have been exposed to prion many ways) is absurd.

Another tweet she links to is a paper of hers which is a completely speculative piece.

She concludes her speculative paper this way:

Many have raised the warning that the current epidemic of
COVID-19 is actually the result of an bioweapons attack released
in part by individuals in the United States government [10,11].
Such a theory is not far fetched given that the 2001 anthrax attack
in the US originated at Fort Detrick, a US army bioweapon facility.
Because the FBI’s anthrax investigation was closed against the
advice of the lead FBI agent in the case, there are likely conspirators
still working in the US government. In such a scenario the primary
focus of stopping a bioweapons attack must be to apprehend the
conspirators or the attacks will never cease. Approving a vaccine,
utilizing novel RNA technology without extensive testing is
extremely dangerous. The vaccine could be a bioweapon and even
more dangerous than the original infection.

She may be entirely correct about everything she writes but by her putting all this stuff out there without data or any other kind of evidence, I have to classify her as a nutjob.

Commenter C:

Regarding the blanket liability protection: we aren't in a free market.

These products are coerced on us (schools, work, and soon possibly more). Just yesterday CT removed its religious exemption. Here in CA, I can’t even send my kids to a private school without the full CDC recommended schedule.

Debate regarding vaccine safety or the covid shot is not tolerated. It's dogma or a religion at this point... "vaccines are safe and effective".


What does this have to do with my post? I never address any of this. My point was simply that the government-issued blanket immunity does not mean the vaccines aren't safe. 

Commenter C:

Most (ALL?) of these covid jabs were at least partially funded by the US Government who then grants the liability protection (but the profits are private of course). To protect their investment (and for other reasons), alternative medical options have been suppressed and in many cases made illegal. If Ford receives blanket liability protection I still have the option of buying a Toyota or other brand. In this case those options were denied to people. Why?


Again, what does this have to do with my post? Just because the government funds something doesn't mean it is not safe. 

Commenter C:

What evidence do you have that anything has changed since Harvard Medical Schools findings that less than 1% of adverse events are reported?

I can’t help but think of this story: https://www.targetliberty.com/2021/04/a-covid-19-vaccine-tip.html. Do you think that doctor is aware of VAERS and files reports for suspected adverse reactions?


The study was pre-COVID hysteria. It was done in 2000. You can't possibly be serious in thinking there is not more focus and reporting negative reactions to COVID-19 vaccines when it is in the headlines and people are reporting more negative reactions and medical institutions are very likely to be reporting more reactions that would have been waved off 21 years ago, if only for CYA reasons.

Commenter C:

Regarding your point about the mechanisms:
What video’s or articles are you referring to and what logical errors were made?
Why should we accept the theories being put forward by Moderna, Phizer, J&J, Fauci, the CDC, but not other doctors or those with the knowledge to speak intelligently on the matter? Who has the more honest track record? What motives do each of these parties have?


Well, let me put it this way. All the videos and papers that I have seen claiming the COVID vaccines are dangerous, and that is most of the popular ones, contain errors. If you think there is one that is logical and backed up by data send it to me and I will take a look. 

As for Moderna, Pfizer and J&J, where did I say they were trustworthy?

As for motives as to why somebody puts out a video claiming the vaccine is dangerous, I don't care. I am only looking at the logic and the data.

Commenter C:

I can’t recall who (may have been Dr. Sherri Tenpenny or someone interviewed on The Highwire) raised the concern of the covid shots causing the immune system to attack the cells that line the placenta. But, then we see this: https://www.targetliberty.com/2021/04/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-abnormal.html#comment-form. Doesn’t mean that’s what’s happening, but certainly worth looking into.


Well, that's a great start, "Dr. Tenpenny or someone." Please provide references and if it is a video the exact time stamp when a claim is made. 

Notice, I used a question mark in the title of my post that you reference.

I am not making any claims. I am pretty much reporting a study is being conducted but further, this is a study about menstrual cycles, not placentas.

Did Tenpenny "or someone" comment on menstrual cycles?

Commenter C:

Interview with Dr. Bhakdi regarding blood clots and more:



This has been sent to me in the past by others but there is no sound when the doctor speaks.


Thanks to all of you for your comments.

BOTTOM LINE THIS IS MY TAKE: There is no convincing evidence one way or the other, that I have seen, that the vaccines are safe or effective.

But, the "good" news is that apparently 150 million Americans, without sound science backing the vaccine, have taken it. As I have said before, this is a massive study. I am going to sit back 5 to 10 years to see what happens. Though I hasten to add that I don't see any reason for most to get the vaccine, given that the virus appears to be almost exclusively a life-threatening virus for the very elderly who are obese or  already seriously ill. 



  1. The "green" passports will render you unable to participate in society, unless you take the shots. Those who got one shot and think they are free can forget that, your pass will be revoked if you decide to not get the yearly dose + boosters. Sadly if the terror mob does not stop, you will be persecuted for endangering society. They will come to believe that those who did not get the shot are equivalent to a person pointing a gun at them. As you can see, the police are more than willing to follow orders to arrest based on this argument.

  2. "The risk-reward just wasn't there...Western Civilization is collapsing around us. There are bigger battles to fight."

    Enough said. Let's fight the bigger battles.

    1. I have to second this, and most here must want to second it too. RW shut us up with this post. Yes, on to bigger battles...


  3. "What does this have to do with my post? I never address any of this. My point was simply that the government-issued blanket immunity does not mean the vaccines aren't safe."

    You’re right; it doesn’t prove the vaccines aren’t safe, but it’s logically does not instill confidence that they are safe and does warrant further investigation or waiting (as you thankfully plan to do).

    "Again, what does this have to do with my post? Just because the government funds something doesn't mean it is not safe."

    It should tell you that something is being hidden from you. That you are not being told the truth. That there is most likely an agenda being pushed that does not have your best interests or freedom as its goals.

    "The study was pre-COVID hysteria. It was done in 2000. You can't possibly be serious in thinking there is not more focus and reporting negative reactions to COVID-19 vaccines when it is in the headlines and people are reporting more negative reactions and medical institutions are very likely to be reporting more reactions that would have been waved off 21 years ago, if only for CYA reasons."

    2006-2009. This is the study I was referring to and you were trying to link to: https://digital.ahrq.gov/ahrq-funded-projects/electronic-support-public-health-vaccine-adverse-event-reporting-system

    I’d argue that you can’t possibly be serious that your government has any interest in admitting a product it funds, grants immunity to and already claims is “safe and effective” might possibly have negative side effects greater than what they’ve already admitted too.

    The Highwire recently covered this topic (VAERS). A recent study of covid shot recipients seems to indicate that VAERS is still only capturing about 1% of adverse events.

    Please try to watch the Bhakdi interview. I just checked and volume is working fine.


  4. Mechanisms: https://rense.com/general96/20-mechanisms-of-injury.php

  5. Commenter B here.

    IMO there is a bigger picture: contamination of human blood supplies. Pion diseases are only one of the health issues that have been speculated about the C-19 mRNA vaccines. If causing the induction of the C-19 Spike protein leads to adverse health issues and the powers-that-should-not-be are trying to inject everyone on the planet with them we have something serious to worry about.

    My take on Dr. Angelova’s (now four part) article is that she is unabashedly speculating and not trying to hide it. Some of what she writes has to be speculative because the studies have not been done and or the data has not been released. That we do not know is the problem. I am in the same camp as RW to wait for a decade or so to see the outcome. But if some of the speculation is correct it may not matter if you have been jabbed or not.

    Some of you probably have seen this video posted on LRC: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/05/no_author/doctor-refuses-to-accept-vaccinated-patients-he-will-not-let-those-who-made-a-bad-decision/ where Dr. Steven Baker will no longer allow C-19 vaccinated in his office due to transmission of the drugs Spike protein to others. Here is his more in depth follow up video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/wt2iltMVuPTK/

    A lot of speculation but, the ramifications that the jabbed can “infect” the non-jabbed with Spike proteins that may cause disease and or susceptibility to disease is very scary stuff.

    Back in 2012 vaccines developed for what I believe is now referred to as SARS-CoV-1 caused hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV-1 when the live virus was introduced to the test animals
    If this phenomena has not been resolved by the current vaccines the potential for widespread disease has led to more speculation about the vaccines.

    Speculation because the C-19 vaccines have not been evaluated enough to know.

    1. Good points. Thanks for the links.


  6. Please stop spending so much intellectual capital arguing about these jabs. Your time will be better spent reading any one of the numerous papers claiming to have "isolated" the virus. You will learn that NONE of these papers documents a control experiment. That is because if healthy tissues were treated to the same methods as the subject specimens (starvation and adding of toxins) the result would be the same. No control experiments have ever been done because it would expose the fraud that virologists have been getting away with since 1954 (Enders). Dr. Lanka won the measles virus case in Germany by proving no control experiments have been done. Do your own due diligence and then inform everyone who will listen.

  7. Please tell me what could be more important for liberty than helping stop vaccine passports?

    They can't pull that off if a substantial minority refuse the Covid shot.

    The world-renowned epidemiologist, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi thinks the shots will "decimate" populations.

    How much liberty will survive in a real pandemic, with a serious number of deaths?


    39 min. video

    1. Geert Vanden Bossche, pro-vaxxer extraordinaire who previously worked for the Gates Foundation, is very against this vaccination campaign. Read up about "immune escape." https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

  8. “COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated.”


    Good published studies here. There's a reason that a government agency must trump up an "emergency" to coerce people to take this experimental genetic manipulation, falsely called a vaccine. All previous attempts to make a coronavirus vaccine have failed due to the test animals getting more sick from subsequent infection.

  9. Just an anecdote of course, but there are hundreds of these instant deaths right after getting the jab:

    Here's a famous Indian actor. Dead 2 days later. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/indian-actor-turned-health-ambassador-dies-of-heart-attack-2-days-after-covid-vaccine

    Here's the CEO of Cole Diagnostics, a generally pro-vax medical insider, talking about more deaths from this vaccine than all others in the last 20 years combined https://youtu.be/Y_L7IBc5Ysg:

    The Idaho doctor on Wednesday said he is not anti-vaccine but he warned against the experimental Covid jabs.

    “We’ve seen more deaths from this shot than all vaccines in the last 20 years combined — and that’s just in the first 4 to 5 months,” he said during an appearance on Rose Unplugged 1320 WJAS.

    Dr. Cole said he saw a study that said 3% of injuries from the Covid vaccine will be permanent: “If you figure 100 million people got the shots, that’s 3 million with a permanent injury.”

    The doctor also said that a vaccine for Coronaviruses have never been approved because they lead to hyperimmune reactions in the long run.

    There is no liberty more sacrosant than to control what gets put into your body. For decades we have fought to be able to consume what we want - now we have to fight to prevent being forcibly injected with a substance that has completely unknown positive effects and apparently some significant negative effects in a relatively large part of the population. I have to disagree with those that say move on to another issue - this is one that is central to self ownership and liberty and it is the battle we are in. We don't get to choose the battles we fight - sometimes they are thrust upon us by an overbearing and tyrannical government. Furthermore, unlike other issues, such as war and peace, limtied/no government, the fed, cronyism, in this battle we have at least half if not more of the US population on our side. We need to press the advantage and win where we have the odds in our favor.

  10. More deaths from COVID injections than the cumulative past 21 years of vaccinations, source is the CDC's own website. No there's no data saying these jabs are unsafe (sarcasm, in case you couldn't tell). Wenzel, you owe us another article on this subject.

    "The CDC released the latest death figures following the experimental COVID injections this week, and that death toll now stands at 4,434 people, adults and children, that have been recorded as dying after receiving one of the experimental COVID injections.

    To put this number in perspective, since the CDC continues to claim that these deaths do “not establish a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” these deaths now exceed the total number of deaths reported to VAERS following vaccination for the past 21 years!

    From 1/1/2000 through 11/30/2020 (the last month before COVID shots were given emergency use) there were 4,394 deaths recorded for a span of 21 years."

    Full article: https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-death-toll-following-experimental-covid-injections-now-at-4434-more-than-21-years-of-recorded-vaccine-deaths-from-vaers/