Monday, January 7, 2019

The Neoright, Immigrants and Pre-Crime

Ludwig von Mises, immigrant
By Robert Wenzel

One of the fascinating areas where neorightism has crept in the age of Trump is pre-crime. This seems to have caught the fancy of some libertarians who are moving in this neorightist direction.

At the post, VIDEO The Willingness of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to Compromise, a commenter writes:

I don’t buy any this “imports, foreigners and immigrants are taking our jobs” nonsense but I have real concern about immigrants (and their offspring) with attitudes at odds with private property rights. The fact that we have many homegrown commies does not alter my concern. And expressing these concerns does not make me a racist nor does it imply an irrational emotional fear of immigrants.

Kshama Sawant was born to Vasundhara and H. T. Ramanujam in Pune, in the Western Indian state of Maharashtra, in a Hindu middle-class family. She is a democratic socialist, politician and economist, a member of Socialist Alternative who sits on the Seattle City Council.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was born in the Bronx to parent of Puerto Rican descent.

The eldest of fourteen children, Rashida Harbi was born on July 24, 1976, to working-class Palestinian immigrants in Detroit. Her mother was born in Beit Ur El Foka, near the West Bank city of Ramallah. Her father was born in Beit Hanina, a neighborhood in Jerusalem. He moved first to Nicaragua, then to Detroit, where he worked on an assembly line in a Ford Motor Company plant.
Offspring? How is this not incredible pre-crime thinking? To condemn a group because their offspring might become socialist?

And what about this idea that it is immigrants leading the interventionist charge?

The current Washington D.C. interventionist leadership is all American born. All of them: Nancy Pelosi (born in Baltimore), Bernie Sanders (Brooklyn) and  Donald Trump (Queens).

The premier US interventionist agitator, Saul Alinsky, was Chicago born as was Hillary Clinton.

The idea that immigrants have some kind of monopoly on interventionist thinking is coprolite come alive as part of neoright hate in the age of Trump.

Interventionist thinking engulfs the globe. To think otherwise is absurd. Interventionist advocacy has always been the foundation of leftism but it is expanding on the right in the form of neorightism by rightists who call for interventions to battle interventions of the left.

That's how the interventionists win.

Robert Wenzel is Editor & Publisher of

14 comments:

  1. This issue would moot under AnCap as the new residents could and would be vetted for their attitudes. Certainly many foreigners would be an improvement over many of our current residents. This is another nasty hysterical response to merely QUESTIONING the wisdom of mass immigration in a statist socialist democracy where the new unvetted residents can vote to grab your property, your life and your rights.

    People love being called hysterical idiots and racists. It's a good way to engender sympathy and free market solutions for the sad souls who live in statist hellholes like in Central America.

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    1. I'm with you Bob. When the argument for limiting mass migration in a statist society like is being dismissed as mere "Trump-like" hate and racism, I question the strength of the pro-mass migration argument. Let's have the ACTUAL argument, y'all!

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  2. So, who educated them? Was it not the offspring of generations-deep Americans? Seems socialism is an in-house thing.

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  3. Is it absurd to think that offspring would remain culturally similar to their parents? That's not precrime thinking, it's statement of a fact. People continue their culture by having families. That's not even controversial.

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    1. Yes, great point. I saw so many young kids out on New Year's in ties,suits and wing tips heading to Guy Lombardo balls after attending midnight Mass in Latin. Nothing changes.

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    2. Fad is not cultural value and sarcasm is not argument.

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    3. People who make facile arguments deserve all the sarcasm thwt can be flinged their way, 'Sherlock'.

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    4. Facile? I'm not accusing my interlocutors of having some moral deficit (e.g. "immigrant hating racists"). I'm really on the fence on this issue, and am looking for compelling arguments.

      And I despise sarcasm. It's a weak, disrespectful tactic. I'm asking honest questions and putting forward honest pushback, and in return there is sarcasm? I'd like to have a better conversation.

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    5. Sherlock - it’s hardly “fact”. I’m a first generation American and am nothing like my parents, culturally or intellectually. Kamil Foster, an anarcho-capitalist who does a great job with the Fifth Column podcast is another example of a first generation American who developed intellectually and culturally different from his parents. In fact, Ron Paul had the most impact on developing my political views, not my parents. As a teenager, I was watching Fox News in the 2000’s when they were fear-mongering about immigrants as well. Well the hysteria has remained, but I have changed, which is the great thing about libertarianism and free market capitalism. It promotes a worldview that human beings are dynamic and growth-oriented, not the static and fixed like left and right would like to believe.

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    6. Tar Heel, are you an exception rather than the rule? I agree that libertarianism has a superior social science behind it with superior assumptions in worldview. Yet even looking at that, I still am having trouble seeing the change you underwent happening on a mass scale. I'm still convinced that, with exception to the outliers like yourself, there is no pressure for other first gens (especially those that migrate illegally), to make the same philosophical decision as you. I'm hazarding a guess that you legally immigrated. It has seemed to me that legal immigrants are often more American than Americans, especially when it comes to liberty and capatalism. I want more of them (and you); but we are not talking about the same kind of immigrant. They are not all "made" the same. Where have I went wrong?

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  4. Unless there are pressures to prevent it people recreate what they flee where they flee too. Look at the places people flee to from California. What's becoming of them? Are they moving towards or away from liberty?

    When a culture adapts to those who arrive instead of those who arrive adapting to the culture there should be concern. How does a culture of liberty survive when it is adapting to people fleeing socialism? It doesn't. It is replaced with socialism for it adapted to people with socialist upbringings and ideas. Be they from California, Cook County, or a foreign land.

    Now maybe with true open borders no welfare state that would bring in people who want liberty. But that's not the present condition.

    BTW, a personal experience: when telling a trespasser of clear eastern european origin to leave my property he responded by telling me that private property was old fashioned and dead. Not exactly an example showing a movement towards a PPS. He was the only one to express an opinion of numerous trespassers of apparent foreign and domestic origin. Some feeling entitled to the use of the property some not.

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  5. After reading these profound and nuanced responses to my comment, I will concede that I'm completely wrong. The fact that third world immigrants and their offspring tend to vote overwhelmingly for "progressive" candidates has nothing at all to do with their culture now and over the generations. I have finally figured out that this phenomenon has all been caused by Walter Block supporting Trump.

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