tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post610584523326746604..comments2024-01-13T07:38:36.064-05:00Comments on Target Liberty: Is the Failure to Label Foods That are GMO Produced Fraud?Robert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-13800631662690271022016-01-09T01:32:50.523-05:002016-01-09T01:32:50.523-05:00Of course RW would just say "don't buy GM...Of course RW would just say "don't buy GMO". Cross contamination means that you won't even have that choice in the future. This is libertarianism for some planet that is not planet earth.Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-56285499723377502222016-01-08T22:24:54.841-05:002016-01-08T22:24:54.841-05:00Whatever the 'libertarian' principle, if t...Whatever the 'libertarian' principle, if there is a toxin in my food I should be informed. Not to do so is fraud.<br />Just read Dr. Mercola's interview with Dr. Jonathan Latham, a GMO virologist. <br />Would anyone buy from these GMO companies if informed?<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07060043504898264679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-55805980423361571682016-01-07T19:42:56.228-05:002016-01-07T19:42:56.228-05:00Right. This is the core of the problem when it com...Right. This is the core of the problem when it comes to 'libertarians' as opposed to 'libertarianism' Correctly understood, GMO couldn't exist in a libertarian society the way that it is currently produced. Matt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-59221599115226825142016-01-07T12:04:58.364-05:002016-01-07T12:04:58.364-05:00Well said! Labels are already required, no one is ...Well said! Labels are already required, no one is asking for anything new just to enforce the current rules and laws already on the books. Whether they are justified in a free society is another debate altogether. Which, in a free society, they would barely exist at all for obvious reasons. 1) They don't produce seeds for replanting 2) Possible dangerous long term health effects 3) Can take theageofnowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16684732649465149601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-6979625944768446462016-01-07T11:36:36.357-05:002016-01-07T11:36:36.357-05:00With water from Flint, MI.With water from Flint, MI.PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-55888648882628127172016-01-07T07:27:37.831-05:002016-01-07T07:27:37.831-05:00While you argue the 'The true free market pers...While you argue the 'The true free market perspective,' that is the ideal, yet that is not the world we live in. Companies who produce products are already required to include all sorts of info on their labels, so with that being the fact, why not require actually accurate labels? You would like it if no labels were required at all, and let the market dictate. However, the gov and food Humanum Genushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10997040364509831635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-58885472126222420992016-01-07T07:08:57.220-05:002016-01-07T07:08:57.220-05:00First up, in my jurisdiction GMO companies are lob...First up, in my jurisdiction GMO companies are lobbying to make it illegal to label non-GMO products "non-GMO". So we are not even on the level of talking about 'voluntary labeling'.<br /><br />RW, explain if you will how GMO would be allowed in a libertarian society without the state as the protecting and enforcing agent. For example, if your GMO pollutes my organic fields, whyMatt@Occidentalism.orghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02395220402283030311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-70619614343808297332016-01-07T03:13:20.172-05:002016-01-07T03:13:20.172-05:00Lets be fair with what we are talking about here -...Lets be fair with what we are talking about here - Food with small pockets of poison and extra doses of poison sprayed on it that would kill normal food AND is genetically dominate over normal food. So dominate that if the wind blows it into my field it breeds with my crop and takes over. And if all that wasn't bad enough, it does not produce seed for replanting.<br /><br />How is such a theageofnowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16684732649465149601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-7016047179696225502016-01-07T02:11:04.240-05:002016-01-07T02:11:04.240-05:00How do you drink your gin Robert?How do you drink your gin Robert?Yossihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667669066473183434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-84361008590833195652016-01-07T00:23:41.840-05:002016-01-07T00:23:41.840-05:00In a libertarian community, would the law require ...In a libertarian community, would the law require that cigarettes be sold with a warning that they cause cancer? None of us know - we can only speculate. I think the law would require this. Otherwise the retailer and manufacturer are at risk of a bankruptcy causing lawsuit.<br /><br />How a lib society would deal with a product known to cause harm is a more relevant analogy than the Bombay gin PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-4775152434470982542016-01-06T23:59:48.686-05:002016-01-06T23:59:48.686-05:00Agreed. Opinion polls show 90% of the public want ...Agreed. Opinion polls show 90% of the public want GMO food labelled as such.PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-33675418494751672372016-01-06T23:57:58.327-05:002016-01-06T23:57:58.327-05:00If GMO food was safe, Monsanto etc wouldn't be...If GMO food was safe, Monsanto etc wouldn't be paying millions to defeat State labelling laws. They would be happy to put 'GMO' on the food, as a sort of certificate of quality.PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-35991010389362061262016-01-06T23:44:32.679-05:002016-01-06T23:44:32.679-05:00The Gin analogy doesn't make much sense to me....The Gin analogy doesn't make much sense to me. Gin is just neutral grain spirits flavored with juniper berries. RW falling hard for Bombay Sapphire's marketing gimmick doesn't really address the issue at hand. The Government tells alcohol producers what they can and can't label as gin based on certain characteristics - http://www.ttb.gov/industry_circulars/archives/1968/68-04.htmlStuffed Pimentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03631687618198640700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-6204267819606229122016-01-06T23:14:53.517-05:002016-01-06T23:14:53.517-05:00Bionic likes to call this the "second best so...Bionic likes to call this the "second best solution." In other words, given that we live in a world with a coercive entity that has a monopoly on law production: what should a libertarian support, given these constraints? We need to develop a whole theory of this. In theory, it should be simple: whatever minimizes rights violations. However, it is not simple in practice, as the Ed Ucationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375062362847706272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-70038517282799933882016-01-06T23:08:42.896-05:002016-01-06T23:08:42.896-05:00First, let me say that I personally enjoy discussi...First, let me say that I personally enjoy discussing these types of issues and Bob does a great job of dissecting them.<br /><br />We must keep in mind that certain characteristics are essential to a class. For example, a chair needs a sitting area, otherwise it is not a chair. It can, however, have four legs, three legs, or no legs at all.<br /><br />Taking your example of gin, how would you Ed Ucationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375062362847706272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-49670770471748285662016-01-06T23:03:44.286-05:002016-01-06T23:03:44.286-05:00This goes back to my comment in that thread regard...This goes back to my comment in that thread regarding specifications. If you specify "steel" for a part you get whatever steel the supplier has laying around they can make the part from or whatever they can purchase most cheaply. So grade is specified. There are SAE, DIN, JIS, and other bodies that define grades of steel. Every engineering material has specifications and data sheets Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-43420329923974786992016-01-06T20:55:33.486-05:002016-01-06T20:55:33.486-05:00Bombay Sapphire!!!!!!
Bob, this is your best post...Bombay Sapphire!!!!!!<br /><br />Bob, this is your best post ever!<br /><br />Oh yeah, you did pretty good with that labeling and fraud stuff, too.bionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-9564233288402880212016-01-06T20:43:03.602-05:002016-01-06T20:43:03.602-05:00Congratulations, Bob. One of your best posts recen...Congratulations, Bob. One of your best posts recently, you really knocked it out of the park this time!Matthew Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967357155163097445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-46624741632758504402016-01-06T20:07:04.366-05:002016-01-06T20:07:04.366-05:00I agree. Although I remember hearing a while back ...I agree. Although I remember hearing a while back that one of the key issues with GMO labeling is not about the use of government force to compel food producers to disclose GMO in their food, but rather the use of government force to PROHIBIT producers of non-GMO food from labeling their food as GMO-free. That is not a case of fraud, but a violation of the NAP nonetheless. If a food producer Raphael Nascimentohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09173191339275368493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-31274703735156471992016-01-06T19:42:07.893-05:002016-01-06T19:42:07.893-05:00"It is difficult to see why it would be fraud..."It is difficult to see why it would be fraud to simply sell an orange with its master category name."<br /><br />That is true, and you've made excellent examples of free market situations that plausibly show that fruit from non-GMO suppliers have an obvious marketing advantage to those interested in such, and that would naturally have them voluntarily labeling their product as &Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-32068589656076914042016-01-06T19:36:38.797-05:002016-01-06T19:36:38.797-05:00Like I said in the previous post, the Non-GMO proj...Like I said in the previous post, the Non-GMO project does a good job labeling GMO free foods. The real battle should not be about labeling GMOs, but educating people about their dangers.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10970586845001280417noreply@blogger.com