tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post3583486190541333665..comments2024-01-13T07:38:36.064-05:00Comments on Target Liberty: What to do About the Anti-Logic MovementRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-34794507564422448052017-12-07T20:21:55.548-05:002017-12-07T20:21:55.548-05:00Their minds are booby-trapped. I hear far too man...Their minds are booby-trapped. I hear far too many libertarians, especially those of the "curmudgeonly old man flavor," pouting and whining about the booby-traps rather than figuring out how to disable them. It can be done. I have done it.Donxonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480364222848672992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-10634159416186960782017-12-07T15:51:38.524-05:002017-12-07T15:51:38.524-05:00I often wonder if we need to distinguish between t...I often wonder if we need to distinguish between the malleable young and "set in my ways" adults. <br /><br />I agree with Donxon that "You cannot reason people out of ideas they were not reasoned into." Thus it may be quite hard (though obviously not impossible) to convince a statist adult of the elegant logic and peace-and-prosperity-enhancing features of libertarianism, The NAPsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16631781625841157567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-22133007023481338442017-12-07T13:27:40.633-05:002017-12-07T13:27:40.633-05:00Donxon,
Making these suggestions is important bec...Donxon,<br /><br />Making these suggestions is important because we need solutions. <br /><br />I think what will be the most productive directions you included is “don’t fight”. Or at least try not to. It seems like all of your points are strategies to avoid a fight and emotions to the extent that is possible. As you said, “Most people are not … practiced at systematic thinking.” When talking AlexZouglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903419350475485505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-31130277596559367302017-12-07T10:06:06.259-05:002017-12-07T10:06:06.259-05:00Indeed, Donxon. I don't think that the "...Indeed, Donxon. I don't think that the "cultural Marxists, the postmodernists, the intersectionality theorists, Antifa and the black bloc anarchists" have a monopoly on anti-logic. Anti-logic is the defining element of statism. The aforementioned folks may be the most vocal anti-logicians, but in the background the regular state (supported by statists) continues its many-years The NAPsterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16631781625841157567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-87390036400175438712017-12-07T03:19:30.000-05:002017-12-07T03:19:30.000-05:00Mises was here first. He called the Anti-Logic Mov...Mises was here first. He called the Anti-Logic Movement - polylogists.<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polylogismearth that washttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03635503399458271477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-48731666218404869872017-12-06T23:50:58.214-05:002017-12-06T23:50:58.214-05:00"Offer them a libertarian explanation that co..."Offer them a libertarian explanation that confirms their instincts."<br /><br />I've used this many times. Usually it takes is a certain wording that does not change the meaning and left leaning people suddenly agree entirely with the libertarian assessment even if they don't know it is libertarian. <br /><br />Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-83680162888573257782017-12-06T21:15:09.563-05:002017-12-06T21:15:09.563-05:00Maybe not so much the "anti-logic movement&qu...Maybe not so much the "anti-logic movement" as the "anti-humor movement."fbc3https://www.blogger.com/profile/08550941689091273568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-51062750121223337262017-12-06T20:52:45.569-05:002017-12-06T20:52:45.569-05:00When confronted with someone who wants to cheerlea...When confronted with someone who wants to cheerlead for transsexuals, talk to them about self-ownership, don't fight with them about gender.Donxonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480364222848672992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-67628219525766267502017-12-06T20:29:54.860-05:002017-12-06T20:29:54.860-05:00I've been dating a self-described SJW for almo...I've been dating a self-described SJW for almost 10 years and I turned her into a libertarian no problem. I'm talking about a social worker who taught harm-reduction classes to homeless transsexual prostitutes in Manhattan, and she is a libertarian. It's not that difficult once you decide to abandon that strategies that fail over and over again.<br /><br />1) Only bring up politics Donxonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480364222848672992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-4448157800869882932017-12-06T19:39:18.748-05:002017-12-06T19:39:18.748-05:00They don't reject absolute truth but have beli...They don't reject absolute truth but have beliefs that they mistakenly hold to be absolute truth. Their absolute truth is that everything is relative to class and power. When their beliefs are contradicted by logic their response is to relate everything to class and power structures. They have designated classes, those that hold power and the classes that are victimized by the classes that AlexZouglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09903419350475485505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-72197555534590006322017-12-06T15:02:24.492-05:002017-12-06T15:02:24.492-05:00I need to read up on Postmodernism in order to fin...I need to read up on Postmodernism in order to find out what it is exactly as Ive been seeing calls including here to oppose it. NY Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05131625126863049626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-44026057925587831472017-12-06T14:05:49.761-05:002017-12-06T14:05:49.761-05:00It's a mistake to assume "bad logic"...It's a mistake to assume "bad logic" is the problem for followers of cultural marxism. Many of these people are very smart and are capable of reasoning logically. Sure, a lot of them do use logical fallacies like anthropomorphising groups as if they are individuals, or "proof by anecdote", but lots of libertarians fall victim to those same fallacies. <br /><br />Logic is Pandemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315340208949970292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-53589399837518340402017-12-06T12:04:14.695-05:002017-12-06T12:04:14.695-05:00Their behavior is straight out of Alinsky's &q...Their behavior is straight out of Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and the only thing you can do is keep presenting the absolute truth and attacking their illogical suppositions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-61937368325267997682017-12-06T10:56:54.369-05:002017-12-06T10:56:54.369-05:00The vocal 10% of these folks are trying to redress...The vocal 10% of these folks are trying to redress some unresolved grievance of and with their fathers. Their politics is family politics writ large. Their call to fairness is that cry of the 9-year old auditing, composing, then editing a grieving inequity within the family. Socialism, in their minds, is an ethical platform that finally grants permission to speak of past family injustices. M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14085364302960279418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-44284614095119609522017-12-06T10:41:15.597-05:002017-12-06T10:41:15.597-05:00On the off chance you are not trolling, you are th...On the off chance you are not trolling, you are thoroughly confused. Bob is a libertarian. Libertarians embrace the non-aggression principle - meaning that we reject initiating violence as an ethical way of interacting with other people. It has nothing to do with collectivism.<br /><br />As for fascism, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the word means. Check out https://Mark Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17964001152455407190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-22500358040234167052017-12-06T08:32:34.107-05:002017-12-06T08:32:34.107-05:00St. Paul failed in his proselytizing to the Atheni...St. Paul failed in his proselytizing to the Athenians because he tried to use logic. Hence, Letter to the Athenians.Veterans for Peace Indianapolishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15927156876347502654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2890852736639676808.post-71218845046838500022017-12-06T06:57:28.817-05:002017-12-06T06:57:28.817-05:00"We"? Do you mean more than one person w..."We"? Do you mean more than one person working together to achieve a common goal? Sounds collectivist. Have you turned into a fascist? Paul Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04529337751567208336noreply@blogger.com